Paper Moon

Since I just saw this pop up on my flist five times in a row...

Yes, people, Disney *did* just buy Marvel.

But! Disney also already owns Touchstone, Miramax, Hollywood Pictures, Hollywood Records, ESPN, Lifetime, A&E, The History Channel, Hyperion Publishing, Discover Magazine, US Weekly, and CrossGen Comics. As well about a jillion other things, too.

I wouldn't exactly start panicking about any Marvel properties being Disneyfied any time soon. And it's not like Marvel hasn't ever Disneyfied themselves before, either. Heck, they started doing that back in the 80's.

Remember: Miramax, people. Miramax. Here's a list of Miramax films, in case anybody needs it. Miramax was bought by Disney in 1993. Note that Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill, all of the Kevin Smith movies, and some of the Halloween and Hellraiser movies, were released after 1993. And it was Disney who gave a recording contract to Atreyu.

(I think that discussing the business side of the Disney/Marvel thing is very interesting, but I'm not sure why I've seen people panicking about the content of Marvel's comics or movies being influenced by Disney. Bwuh? That's not how it works!)

Edited to add: Heeeey, maybe now the Spiderman musical can actually get some funding!

Do you know why asinine crap like this doesn't annoy me anymore?

Because I know that I can count on brilliant responses like this and this.

Oh, comics blogosphere, there are times when I love you so much.

Also, as an additional response to Vince's article: Whaddya mean, nothing's changing? Believe it or not, comic books are correcting past mistakes, or at least taking baby steps in that direction. Artists are getting it (even if their bosses still don't). Heck, even the MJ statue bruhaha was a victory of sorts, if at least it got Sideshow Collectibles to stop deleting dissenting comments on their website and to openly allow the debate to happen on their doorstep. That's something. That's a big something. Maybe they're not listening yet, but at least they know that they can't silence us anymore either.

Vince pointed out that Greg Land is still employed, and that this somehow constitutes a massive failing of the Hive Vagina Agenda, whatever that's supposed to be. Well, let me say this: Greg Land may be employed, but he's a joke. He's a freakin' joke among those of us who actually buy and read comics, regardless of whether his bosses continue to give him money to trace porn or not. Because fangirls have been posting the side-by-side comparisons, complaining, snarking, and venting all over the internet, Land has been exposed as the tracing hack that he is. It's getting harder and harder for Land's shrinking cadre of fans to defend their taste in the face of all of that. Now there's a great deal of public pressure on Land to either step up his game (STOP TRACING, you can DO IT, MAN!) or GTFO. Granted, because the comics industry is highly insular, Land could continue to be employed for decades to come. (See: Leifeld, Rob.) But now he at least has the reputation that he deserves.

Small victories, people. Small victories.

ETA: Ragnell always says it better. ;)

In follow-up to this:

But, Ms. Whiny Entitled Fangirl, you may ask, don't you know that sex sells? Don't you think it's unfair to ask Marvel and DC to stop making comics that appeal to the Scaly Basement-Dwelling Stereotyped Fanboy just because you want to buy a couple of their products?

The obvious answer to that is: Good comics appeal to everybody, including the Scaly Basement-Dwelling Stereotyped Fanboy. So doesn't it make more sense to make comics that more people are going to want to buy? And good comics can be sexy. They just shouldn't be sexist.

First, an observation: I'm not sure why so many guys are defending Marvel and DC's insistent push to cater only to the typical bottom-feeding Scaly Basement-Dwelling Stereotyped Fanboy in the first place. (For the sake of brevity, the Scaly Basement-Dwelling Stereotyped Fanboy shall hereby be referred to as Ghost, in honor of his comments here.) I mean, isn't that a huge insult against your gender and your hobby, you guys reading this? For the executives at Marvel and DC to treat you as if you are a desperate lonely slob who could never make it with a real woman and thus have to content yourselves with comics about scantily-clad superheroines being raped instead? To assume that you are all the Ghosts of the world? To assume that this (NSFW) is the only way to appeal to you? To assume that you would actually rather have that than this or this?

Isn't the fact that Marvel and DC target a mythical stereotype of a skeezy comics fanboy an insult to everyone across the board, whether you're male or female?

And therein lies the problem. Oh ye Ghosts of the world, let me make an assumption of my own: I think that you would enjoy this, or this, or this, or this, or this, or this. Maybe you would enjoy this (NSFW) or this (NSFS) more than all of the previous. But the point is, I bet you wouldn't NOT buy a comic because it had this on the cover. If you really wanted a Wonder Woman statue, you wouldn't NOT buy this statue just because she's not topless. You might not buy it for other reasons, but that's neither here nor there. We're talking about sex appeal in this post. Sex appeal!

But the same doesn't work in reverse. A whole lotta people are not going to buy Heroes for Hire because of that disgusting sexist cover. For example, see here. And a whole lot of people aren't going to buy that Mary-Jane statue or anything Marvel-related for a looong time, because of the fact that said statue is disgusting. Sexist and ugly. Double-threat!

So here's the issue. Sexy stuff appeals to everyone, including the Ghosts of the world. Sexist stuff may get the Ghosts of the world to fork over their hard-earned money without a blinking moment of hesitation, but it alienates a huge chunk of the potential audience that could otherwise be reached. So why not just be sexy, not sexist? Why not appeal to everyone, instead of just the scaly basement-dwelling few?

Oh, and by the way: the above-mentioned marketing model works. Runaways, a good old-fashioned teen superhero story with lots of sexiness and little sexism, is Marvel's best-selling digest in April. And for more proof that sexy money talks louder than sexist money, scroll to the bottom of this post.

I've said this before in a previous wank: Marketing towards men =/= alienating women. You can make, and market, comics that appeal to stereotypical male interests, such as manly he-men punching semitrucks and beautiful women kicking righteous ass. You can do these things without insulting or degrading anyone. Just make that beautiful woman a person and not a sex object. It's not hard to do. Give her realistic anatomy and a functional costume, give her a personality, and draw her in a pose that reflects that personality. Note that "realistic anatomy" can be hubba-hubba hot, a "functional costume" can still be sexy as hell, and a powerful action pose, such as kicking or punching, can show off a woman's anatomy without forcing her to pose like a limp blow-up doll in the process. So now, voila, you can appeal to your target demographic and not alienate anyone else who might be interested in buying your comics.

Standard disclaimer, because I really shouldn't have to explain this, but recently certain Eisner-nominated comics journalists have proven otherwise: Real, actual pornography is different. The market rules are different, and you can alienate whoever the hell you want with your sexual fantasies. But mainstream superhero comics are NOT pornography, they are NOT YOUR sexual fantasies, and any attempts to answer an argument about marketing mainstream superhero comics with examples from pornography are just really, really missing the point.

Further linkage: A marketing guy who actually knows what he's talking about makes some good points about money, and how, like, it's smart to not discourage us wimmins from spending such. ;) And Websnark weighs in with an insightful post about brand management here. And a nifty post here from Stars and Garters, which may be a new blog with only two posts, but both of them rock so far.