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nenena ([personal profile] nenena) wrote2011-09-12 06:58 pm

Lightning-round SE 90/Not! 9 spoilers

The most important spoiler, obviously, is that this month's GanGan included the results of the earth-shatteringly important reader poll titled "Which Soul Eater character would you wish to be a part of your family?"

And somehow or other, Kid won.

Really, fandom? Really? You want to be related to that?!

And now for some less interesting spoilers.



Everybody going on the moon mission is saying their last farewells and writing final letters to their loved ones. THIS IS INSPIRING A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE LIKELIHOOD OF ANYBODY SURVIVING THE MISSION. Um.

Liz says that other than Kid or Patty there's nobody that she would want to give her final letter to, and they're both going on the mission. So there's no point in writing a letter.

Black Star says that although he wants to go on the kishin mission for the glory + reputation points, he's going to do the adult thing and go on the Spartoi mission that he was requested to go on instead. Aw Black Star, you've grown up so much.

Spirit is a huge dork and has a big huge dorky dork-dad moment with Maka.

Spirit is going on the mission too. Before he leaves, Big Daddy tells him that Kid's "awakening" is essential if they have any hope of victory over Asura.

Maka realizes that Crona is hiding out in the church where they first met. Proving once again that Maka is the most intelligent character in this manga. (Which I realize is damning with faint praise, but still.)

Medusa is with Crona. Kind of. I don't know. It might very well be Crona hallucinating, à la Stein. Anyway, the point is that I think Ohkubo is supposed to be drawing both parallels and contrasts wrt: the Spirit/Maka relationship and the Medusa/Crona relationship. But maybe I'm giving Ohkubo too much credit.

NOT! SPOILERS: It's mostly about Akane this month. The end. LOL this is the risk of repeating spoilers gleaned from 2ch. Akane isn't even *IN* Not! this month, and the only thing that happens is that Kana does a card reading for Jackie. A+ 2ch troll, would LOL again. SON OF ETA: Or I guess there was a nugget of truth to that after all, since Akane and Clay appear in chapter 90 this month!

PS - As usual, this month's new color illustrations (all six of them!) are all over the GanGan website and at shibusen.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-09-14 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
My mum didn't cheat, but she wasn't in love with my dad anymore and told him as such.

You realize that this is completely the opposite of what Spirit did to Maka's mom, right?

[identity profile] shinigamishi.livejournal.com 2011-09-14 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Argh, I didn't state that right...

She wanted to be poly. I'm not sure exactly what happened, but dad made it sound like she was cheating, and it still felt like she was cheating whenever I saw her with a boyfriend. If my dad wasn't just THAT obviously a bad parent, I'd probably be pissed at my mum.

And at any rate, we don't know what really happened. For all we know, Maka's mum could've been absent forever and Spirit got lonely.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-09-14 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
No, we know that Maka's mom was always there with her (before Maka moved into Shibusen housing). Maka's mom didn't skip town until after the divorce.

[identity profile] shinigamishi.livejournal.com 2011-09-14 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Where does it say that? Because I don't remember any of that. All I know is that we've never seen her, or even a postcard like in the anime, and, regardless of what kind of husband Spirit was, he was at least THERE for Maka when things got rough.

And even if she was there at the time, that doesn't excuse leaving and not coming back for critical times in her daughter's life.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-09-14 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
You're right, it doesn't excuse that. But whether Maka's mom was/is a good mother or not has nothing to do with the fact that Spirit is still a terrible father. They could both be terrible parents.

Also, the main reason that Spirit *is* there for Maka is simply because they both work for Shinigami-sama. Spirit's job is what puts him in close proximity to Maka. And yes, he's made some valiant efforts to attempt to "be there" for his daughter when shit gets rough... Yet he was never there for her in the one way that really mattered, which would have been to show for one measly second that the feelings of his wife and daughter mattered to him at least one iota more than getting drunk and groping breasts. He chose boobs and beer over his family's emotional needs again and again and again. It's no wonder that Maka practically spits on his attempts to "be there" for her after the divorce. He WASN'T there for Maka when she really needed him to be (i.e. changing his hurtful behaviors), so even though he may be "there" now, and he certainly has a nice moment with Maka in this chapter, it doesn't magically undo all of his failed parenting in the past.

And look, I'm saying this as somebody who really loves Spirit as a character. But he can be a great guy with a lot of sympathetic, redeeming qualities, and still be a terrible father at the same time.

As for the timeline of Maka's mom... Maka tells Crona "after my mom divorced my dad, she went off to see the world." Meaning that her mom didn't start traveling until after the divorce. Maka also mentions all the times that her mom "caught" Spirit cheating, which to me implies that she had to have been local enough to catch Spirit in the act.

[identity profile] shinigamishi.livejournal.com 2011-09-14 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't find that in the manga. I'm looking, but... I'm not counting the anime here.

And yeah, the stuff with his cheating WAS pretty bad, but he was at least there when Soul got hurt, when Maka was obviously extremely emotionally fragile.

I thought I recalled someone saying at some point that Ohkubo mentioned Maka being too young at the time of the separation (but not the divorce) to really understand it? I dunno. I always sort of got the vibe that something triggered the cheating and drinking initially.

At any rate, he IS a bad parent. I just felt like saying he's a terrible one is a bit too far. There are some much, much worse parents out there... he does love her at least.

(Anonymous) 2011-09-14 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I am not trying to get in the way or anything but I think you guys should agree to disagree at this moment. You each gave a good side to your views and opinions on whether or not Spirit is a good father. However it feels like you guys are trying to change each other's opinion on this topic. I am not saying that you are but thats what it feels like.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-09-15 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
Aw, this is pwecious. It's like you've never seen two people disagreeing about something before.

A+. This is definitely the most adorable comment in the entire thread.

(Anonymous) 2011-09-15 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
It's not as if that I have not heard two people argue before, to be honest I love a good argument, it's just that I have a feeling that you guys would go on forever with this.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-09-17 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Pro-tip: It's not your place to decide whether a discussion between too other people is going on for too long or not.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-09-15 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
I can't find that in the manga. I'm looking, but... I'm not counting the anime here.

OK, gotcha. You're right that the manga never specifies either way.

I thought I recalled someone saying at some point that Ohkubo mentioned Maka being too young at the time of the separation (but not the divorce) to really understand it? I dunno. I always sort of got the vibe that something triggered the cheating and drinking initially.

I can't recall Ohkubo ever saying that, but if you've got a source I will gladly eat my words.

Based on chapter 72 (or 73, but who's counting? Not Ohkubo!) I definitely got the impression that cheating and drinking is just a part of Spirit's nature. I doubt that it was "triggered" by anything specific. But meh, I can see how we'd both get different impressions of the same character.

At any rate, he IS a bad parent. I just felt like saying he's a terrible one is a bit too far. There are some much, much worse parents out there... he does love her at least.

Eh, semantics. I'm not going to split hairs wrt "bad" versus "terrible." And of course there are always worse parents out there.

[identity profile] popcorn42.livejournal.com 2011-09-15 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
>> And of course there are always worse parents out there.

Yep.
Hi, Medusa! o/
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[personal profile] skirtingdanger 2011-09-15 05:06 am (UTC)(link)
(Don't mind the RP account) Buuut this page (and the anime as well, which I am too lazy to go capping right now) proves both of those points wrong. The divorce is VERY recent and Blair pretty much says the divorce happened because of the cheating. And I'm pretty sure the latter is mentioned in a few other scenes too, although I can't quite remember exactly where.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-09-15 05:45 am (UTC)(link)
Ah-ha, yes. Thank you for clarifying that!