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nenena ([personal profile] nenena) wrote2011-12-15 06:21 pm

Soul Eater Chapter 93: All the stupid Radiohead jokes. All of them.

MEANWHILE, IN ITALY!

Maka and Soul are standing around some pretty scenery. Maka has her eyes closed.

"Are you sensing anything?" Soul asks.

"I'm just trying to keep my soul calm, but I can't sense anything..."

Somewhere nearby! "So what are we going to do when we find Crona?" Kim asks. "We're not really going to kill Crona, are we?!"

"Those are the Spartoi's orders..." Harvar says.

Black Star leans against a wall and orally molests some ellipses.

"How can you agree with that so easily...?" Kim asks Harvar. "Crona is Maka's friend!"

" 'Execute Crona.' That is the solution that Shinigami-sama himself decided upon."

"And just because Shinigami-sama said so, does that mean that it's the only solution?!"

"Kim..." Jackie says.

"Yes, actually," Harvar says. "It does mean that. Shinigami-sama's orders are absolute. Even if there are some people on this mission who seem incapable of accepting their oders. Shinigami-sama's very existence is one of absolute finality... Death is the only absolute order in the world. The circle of life, death, and rebirth rules absolutely over all living things in creation. What person could possibly oppose the totality of all natural order?"

"Every person dies eventually," Harvar goes on, "which is ironically why so few humans can easily accept their mortality. Yet in the end, nobody can oppose death." Except for Immortals, I guess, but Ohkubo likes to conveniently forget that they exist. "Our mission is the same. We are a part of this system of absolute order, too."

Oh god this dialogue is so fucking painful and WE ALREADY HAD THIS ARGUMENT FOUR CHAPTERS AGO whyyyyyyy are we wasting time rehashing this again?!

"Ox, do you agree with this narrow-minded asshole?" Kim asks Ox. "If Shinigami-sama ordered you to execute me, would you agree to it so easily?"

"Of course not..."

"Then why... Maybe the only reason that I'm opposed to this mission is because I'm a witch? Is that it?"

"Kim..." Jackie comforts Kim. "It's not just you."

"We have a target for our mission," Black Star finally chimes in, "so our first step is to find that target. But after that, it's not a simple mission. The final solution will be our decision. Kid himself said so."

"Exactly," Soul says. "Crona's fate hasn't been decided yet."

"We have to meet Crona in person," Maka says, "before we make our final decision." If I have to, will I be able to fight Crona...? Maka makes determined!face. "I found Crona."

MEANWHILE, ON THE MOON!

Shibusen's airship has landed and the troops are pouring out.

Oh hey look, it's Stein. And Deng, and Djinn. And Spirit, and Marie, and Sid. "Finally," Stein says. He breathes smoke out of his nostrils. Aaaah... It feels like I'm set free from all of my responsibilities...

Hey dumbass, you still have to, you know, lead. Lead your army. The army that you are supposed to be leading on this mission. But what the hell we know that Stein is about to go beserk and start punching the everliving shit out of Clowns anyway. Which I guess is almost as good as actually leading the mission like he's supposed to be doing.

Meanwhile, in a smoking crater! "Granny..." Kid says.

"That bitch..." Kaguya fumes. "How dare she destroy Moonbeam... And now Shibusen's ship has landed on the surface, too..."

Suddenly, from behind the clouds of smoke! "*COUGH*COUGH*"

It's Granny, still alive! "Problem?" she smirks (at Kid? At Kaguya? who cares, that trollface is awesome!).

"GRANNY!!" Liz and Patti shout.

Oh my god, Kaguya's face. "!!"

"What, didja think I was dead? It takes more than that to kill Granny!"

"Granny," Kid sighs with relief.

"Dammit!" Kaguya swears.

Granny lumbers over toward Kaguya. "All righty then, shall we continue where we left off?"

But suddenly

JUSTIN.

Holy shit, Justin.

"GRANNY!!" Kid shouts.

"GRANNY!!!" Liz and Patti scream.

"GRANNY!!!!"

"Young master..." Granny gasps.

"GRANNY!!!!!" Kid shouts again. The five exclamation points make it SUPER DRAMATIC, y'all.

Granny's body dissolves and her soul floats next to Justin.

"Little piggy..." Justin says. Really, Ohkubo? Radiohead references now?!

"You bastard..." Kid says. "And you used to be a Death Scythe, too... You defile my father's name."

"Oh, you're Shinigami's little piglet..." Justin says. "So you're the little piggy that Kishin-sama is so afraid of."

"How dare you kill Granny..." Kid says. As Shibusen's entire army charges toward Justin.

"The livestock are coming..." Justin tells the Clowns gathered behind him. Then he turns his attention back toward Kid. "Antibiotic-fed pigs. No matter how haughty you may act, in the end you're all helpless livestock, dead without the feed supplied by your masters. You poor little piggies." He grins. "But I am free."

"Free?" Kid grits his teeth. "All you did was switch gods. You act as though you've finally attained all that you desire, yet you're nothing more than rabid animals. You're just a gutter rat going along with whichever way the sewage flows."

"YOU'RE the ones invading Kishin-sama's peaceful resting place!!" Justin fires back. "YOU'RE the ones acting like rabid animals!!"

"Because the STENCH of your insanity reaches ALL THE WAY TO THE EARTH!!"

So now that Justin and Kid's shouting match has actually devolved into you smell! No, you!! I think it's time to cut back to Stein.

Hi, Stein.

"We are Shibusen," Stein declares, watching his troops battle the Clowns. "We bring order to purify insanity!!"

"Or so you say," Justin says. I think he's smirking but it's kind of hard to tell, what with half of his face on fire.

A war of aggression... Stein think-bubbles. A war to protect the common people... Unlike other wars, this battle has no reason... Order and Insanity exist as reflections of each other. It is only natural that they should clash... No, that is not a reason either. What am I doing here? Why am I on the side of Order? There is no reason for this battle, and I, too, don't need reasons anymore... I just want to rip everything apart.

Visual metaphor what the fuck. When you have a box all giftwrapped nicely, you don't need a reason to want to know the contents of the box. Just wanting to know is enough. And anybody would think it strange for someone to feel guilt for having to tear apart the wrapping paper in order to obtain what is inside the box. Although I suppose there should be a difference between presents and living creatures...

Stein rips apart Clowns with a single touch.

Generally speaking.

Stein pauses to adjust his head-screw while Marie and Spirit look on in horror.

With living creatures, perhaps one shouldn't rip them apart needlessly... After all, dissection should be an orderly process. "Senpai---... Marie---... It's time for us to move out. Marie, change into your weapon form. Senpai, be ready to support us." Should I start from the top, or from the bottom? Hu hu hu hu....

It's time to make the moon into a slaughterhouse...

Meanwhile, Kaguya!

...is naked. Siiiiiiigh.

"More and more people are trying to see my naked body," Kaguya says as she casts off her impenetrable robe. Oh honey, that is not why everybody is trying to cut through your robe. But whatever. "But I won't let you worship my body that easily."

ROBE TRANSFORMATION! a helpful panel informs us.

ROBE OF THE FIRE RAT!

(Mythology reference for the chapter: In the oldest version of the Princess Kaguya story, Kaguya's adoptive father charges each of Kaguya's five princely suitors with an impossible task that they must complete before they can marry the princess. One of the suitors is told to bring Kaguya a robe made from the fur of the mythical Chinese Fire Rat. Even in 10th century Japan, however, the Fire Rat was pure science fiction, so the suitor tries to decieve Kaguya with a fake robe instead. Kaguya sees through the deception and rejects the suitor. Also you may have heard of the Robe of the Fire Rat before because, uh, it was supposed to be that red thing that Inu-Yasha always wore. So there you go.)

"CRESCENT MOON!"

Kaguya's new attack slices some Shibusen grunts in half.

"I regret having to damage our peaceful moon like this," Kaguya says, "but I'm terribly shy about my body."

And Ohkubo draws jiggle lines next to her naked breasts. Just so that we know that her naked breasts are indeed jiggling. Thank you for that, Ohkubo. Thank you.

"I don't think you understand what 'shy' means!!" Kid shouts as he charges toward her.

"You wish to face me again, brat?" Yeah I don't even know what the fuck is going on in the next panel. I think they're supposed to be fighting, but it looks like Kaguya and Kid are dancing the Charleston. "If you truly desire so deeply to see my naked body, why don't you bring me a fitting tribute first?" She raises a... paw... to shield herself. Jesus tapdancing Christ, Ohkubo. "However, I'm not the type of woman to take my clothes off just because you bring me a pretty gift."

"WHAT are you TALKING about?!" Kid yells at her. "Your body is COMPLETELY ORDINARY!!"

Oh god the anatomy in the next panel. Oh, Ohkubo. "You would say something so delusional even while looking directly at me?!" Kaguya blushes. "You must be imagining that you can see the shape of my body through my clothing! What a perverted little brat! Keta keta keta ke ke ke ke ke ke!!"

Keta keta is the sound effect for Japanese cackling.

"What an obnoxious opponent," Kid says. "Now I'm really starting to get annoyed!!"

Meanwhile, Clowns!

Spirit is like, holy shit Clowns!

Stein swings around Marie some, and then there are no more Clowns. Just flying chunks of Clown all over the place.

"STEIN!!" Marie shouts.

"We came here to defeat the Kishin..." Spirit says. "And yet... He looks just like the Kishin himself..."

To be continued in next month's issue!

[identity profile] chiikaboom.livejournal.com 2011-12-15 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Kidd and Justin's YOU SMELL arguement LOL

Best idea of the fucking year to bring Stein to the place where everybodys insane. Best idea of the fucking year.

Thanks for the recap!
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-15 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Kidd and Justin's YOU SMELL arguement LOL

I admit, that made me laugh too. The entire rest of this chapter was pretty much what the fuck am I translating but for some reason THAT bit struck me as actually funny. Maybe because I have the sense of humor of a 10-year-old boy, I dunno.

[identity profile] xaliceunknownx.livejournal.com 2011-12-16 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
So basically, when we catch up with the Spartoi vs Crona situation……….it's all recaps.

Well.

But that's okay. I wasn't looking forward to development there in the past *checks date* four months or anything anyways.

Also: Look at Harvar, suddenly having a lot of dialogue. I'm surprised no one has just turned to him and said something about it.

Or maybe he's always had a lot of dialogue and I'm just being silly.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 09:06 am (UTC)(link)
No, you're right, Harvar has never really had this much dialogue before. At least not since he and Kim had the exact same argument four chapters ago.

[identity profile] tenshi-makenshi.livejournal.com 2011-12-16 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the translations, you've been lovely as usually Miss nenena! XD
Also, happy birthday! I'm not sure what day it is, but I've been notified it's this month. ^^U
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 09:07 am (UTC)(link)
Why thank you!

My birthday happens to be today, actually, so thank you for the birthday wishes! :)

[identity profile] aiwatan.livejournal.com 2011-12-16 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks you as always for your recaps!

Definitely, the best part of the chapter is Justin and Kid childish argument.

The part with Spartoi in search of Crona felt too ackward. Not only was pointless information we already know. The talk about death came out of nowhere and was plainly DEEP.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I enjoyed NOT! way more this month.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 09:10 am (UTC)(link)
The talk about death came out of nowhere and was plainly DEEP.

Meh, it's the exact same theme that Ohkubo's been developing since the Salvage arc, which is that death=order. Which is just more stuff that he cribbed from Sanskrit epics (likewise with Ohkubo's version of Asura, which is very much in line with the old-old-old school Vedic concept of "Asura" and not the Japanese/Buddhist concept of "Asura"). Sorry. I nerd out about mythology sometimes.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I enjoyed NOT! way more this month.

Me too!

[identity profile] aiwatan.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 11:06 am (UTC)(link)
No need to be sorry, actually is very interesting. I indeed thought it was about the Japanese Asura.

I don't know if it's good or bad but I like learning and searching about mythology after having it referenced in manga/anime/game/books/whatever.

[identity profile] vega-jd.livejournal.com 2011-12-16 12:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the recap!

This was definitely my favorite part: So now that Justin and Kid's shouting match has actually devolved into you smell! No, you!! I think it's time to cut back to Stein.

I honestly laughed out loud xD

I think Ohkubo just included the Spartoi scene so he could remind himself that they're still around and he mustn't forget about them when he's done with all the Clowns. I think Harvar will get kicked out of the team for a while now xD
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 09:14 am (UTC)(link)
I'm interested in seeing if Ohkubo is actually going to develop this conflict between Harvar and Kim any more than just having them act as mouthpieces for arguments that the author wants to make. I mean, it might be interesting to see an actual fight between the two, and how Ox would react to being caught in the middle of that. But we'll see. So far Harvar and Kim haven't done anything more than argue with each other, and Ox has (wisely) managed to stay almost completely out of it.

(Anonymous) 2011-12-16 03:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Awesome recap as always ma'am. Out of curiosity, why are you mad about the Radiohead jokes? Doesn't Ohkubo make music references all the time? Anyway, do you ever get the feeling that Ohkubo's leading up to a grand finale of some sort? I mean, Justin's just joined the fight, Stein's going crazy (making things not live anymore) and the whole mess w/ Chrona seems to be building up to a final boss fight (at least for Maka and Soul anyway). Or am I just looking too deeply into this? Also, if/when Spartoi decides to stop recapping the obvious and abusing dialogue, what do you think the Chrona fight's going to look like?

P.S. Am I the only one that thinks that the Spartoi scene might just be Ohkubo trying to make up for the fact that he's given the Shibusen faculty their much-deserved spotlight?
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 09:19 am (UTC)(link)
Awesome recap as always ma'am.

Thank you! ^__^

Out of curiosity, why are you mad about the Radiohead jokes?

I'm not mad, I'm just mocking because it's an easy target. ;)~

Anyway, do you ever get the feeling that Ohkubo's leading up to a grand finale of some sort?

I think that's the general consensus. Yes.

Or am I just looking too deeply into this?

I think you're picking up on the obvious. I will be very surprised if this doesn't turn out to be the ending of Soul Eater.

what do you think the Chrona fight's going to look like?

Awesome. Although I doubt that Crona will survive the fight due to having crossed the Moral Event Horizon by "murdering" Fyodor, Tsar, and an entire city full of people in one of the most horrific ways possible. Possibly Crona will have some last-minute moment of redemption and then die tragically.

(Anonymous) 2011-12-18 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, okay. I guess you're right about the series coming to a big finish. Still, it'd suck if Noah of all people turned out to be the big bad. Also, there is the preposterously slim chance Medusa's somewhere. I mean, she cheated death once already, right? And yeah, I see what you mean about the Chrona fight. Seriously, what's inside whatever the hell Chrona turned Fyodor, Tsar and that city into? Or is it just a mass of Black Blood? But, the question is, is Spartoi going to handle this like the enemy AI of Assassin's Creed II (i.e. take a number and fight one at a time) or are they going fight him/her all at once?
P.S. Think Soul's gonna go insane one more time?

The Finale

(Anonymous) 2011-12-24 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the recap!
I bet that Soul Eater will end on chapter 99 and Ohkubo will make a bonus chapter, just like what weapons need to become a death scythe. Don't read ahead if you haven't read B.ichi (Ohkubo's first badass series) , I kind of hope SE wont end the same way because that would be him trolling his readers twice.

I'm some what disappointed with Gangan because they announced 2011 to be Soul year in the February 2011 issue and Not! Getting all the glory, plus it's the tenth anniversary of B.ichi.

Well thanks for reading my comment and sorry if I seemed to be complaining but I just wanted to shed some facts for Ohkubo fans.
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Re: The Finale

[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-25 07:11 am (UTC)(link)
LMAO but I kind of loved the ending of B.ichi, even though it was kind of obvious that Ohkubo just got bored with it and wanted to put the series out of its misery.

Er, you realize that when GanGan magazine blurbs that "2011 is the year of Soul Eater!" that's just a marketing ploy, right? But actually the magazine did follow through with that promise. We got a spinoff series, 4 Soul Eater covers (more than any other GanGan series got), and a ton of free goodies from the vol. 20 marketing campaign in Japan. Honestly, what more were you expecting? GanGan lavished Soul Eater with just about all of the extra publicity and attention that it could possibly get in 2011.

Re: The Finale

(Anonymous) 2011-12-26 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah you're right, I just remember from 2008 when it was Soul year and SE got color pages and/or color pages practically every issue. As for B.ichi, I feel that he continued the series win SE. An example may be when Shotaro was about to fight Emine, it could have been represented by Black Satr and Kid in the Salvage arc. It could even be in this arc where Maka has to kill Chrona ( if you recall Emine's hteory of Shotaro restoring justice.)

[identity profile] rojeru.livejournal.com 2011-12-16 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
At first, I was like, Yay granny's alive!

And then Justin just had to come and burst my bubble ~_~

I feel kinda trolled right now.


Anyways, thanks for the recap =D
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 09:20 am (UTC)(link)
You're welcome!

And you probably should feel trolled about Granny, because that is one of the most blatant bits of deliberate author-trolling I've seen in this manga yet.

[identity profile] hinodeh.livejournal.com 2011-12-16 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for the recap!

Uh, didn't Maka alrrady figure out in previous chapters where Crona is, and then we were shown that s/he is indeed there? So why is she searching for hir again?
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 09:22 am (UTC)(link)
You're welcome! :)

Also, yes, Maka already knows exactly where Crona is. Which is why the "I found Crona" line feels completely weird and out of place. I don't think Maka was even searching for Crona in this chapter again, she just... She just kind of walked into the middle of the Spartoi's conversation and said "I found Crona" because DIALOGUE HOW DOES IT WORK.

(Anonymous) 2011-12-16 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for the recap!

Kaguya is getting on my nerves, I hope Stein rips her in half next chapter, and I want to maybe actually see Crona instead of dialogue we've heard before.

I still don't see how Noah, Gopher and Index are going to fit in to this at all.
Unless Ohkubo only let them survive so that they can fly to the moon, die instantly, and have the BREW (which we still don't know what they did with) be our deus ex machina to kill the Kishin, since insta-kill punches to the face are so last year!

And Ohkubo better give us some awesome Liz/Patty or Marie moments before the series ends, I know we got some awesome moments from Liz/Patty in NOT! but I would like to see them be badass without them having to be all gangsta.

Also did Ohkubo just leave Nygus and Sid out of the mission? I understand Nygus isn't a death scythe, but come on, they still need redemption after what happened last time they got in a battle.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 09:31 am (UTC)(link)
Kaguya is getting on my nerves, I hope Stein rips her in half next chapter.

Kaguya annoys me too, but I'd rather not see any naked women being ripped apart by Stein. I don't trust Ohkubo to not do it in a way that would be horribly misogynistic and gross.

I still don't see how Noah, Gopher and Index are going to fit in to this at all. Unless Ohkubo only let them survive so that they can fly to the moon, die instantly, and have the BREW (which we still don't know what they did with) be our deus ex machina to kill the Kishin, since insta-kill punches to the face are so last year!

Okay, I actually kind of hope this happens now!

Because like you I totally don't see how Noah, Gopher, or Index could possibly contribute anything to either the Kishin or the Crona storyline right now, unless they show up solely to provide comic relief. And then die.

Also did Ohkubo just leave Nygus and Sid out of the mission? I understand Nygus isn't a death scythe, but come on, they still need redemption after what happened last time they got in a battle.

Hey now, Sid was in the background of ONE WHOLE PANEL this month!

...Yeah I got nothing else, though.

(Anonymous) 2011-12-18 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
"Because like you I totally don't see how Noah, Gopher, or Index could possibly contribute anything to either the Kishin or the Crona storyline right now, unless they show up solely to provide comic relief. And then die."

Yeah, besides possible deus ex machina material, they are pretty much completely irrelevent to the plot now. I kind of wish Gopher could have been the only one to survive the ark, since I have a feeling that Index's "master plan", his out of no where evilness, and the multiple Noahs will probably never be explained.
Unless Ohkubo decides to make another spin-off series based of Noah/Index's antics before the current Soul Eater, it's like NOT!, except it would be called NOAH! and be full of hilariously failtastic antics.

But who knows? Maybe Ohkubo will prove us wrong and manage to explain it all in a totally non-retcony way!

Granted, it's about as likely as Free, Gooberkins and Waffles 2.0 returning to take revenge on the main cast for hogging the spotlight.

[identity profile] titangirl161.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
I was so happy Granny was alive...god I hate Justin. Someone kill him. NOW DAMMIT! And while I'm all up for seeing evil clown slaughter, I'm sad to see Stein slipping back into insanity...plus it gives his friends the creeps watching him. (And all the piggy talk just makes me think of the beatles song. "Everywhere there's little piggies living piggy lives...")

And seriously, Kaguya...shy=breast jiggle? WHAT?! Is Ohkubo trying too hard with fanservice here? I...I just really don't understand why everything having to do with her is so perverted. I suppose that's jut part of her character, but still. Also, I only knew the fire rat caot from Inuyasha...wow that was a long time ago.

Thanks for the recap!
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 09:23 am (UTC)(link)
Is Ohkubo trying too hard with fanservice here?

YES. YES, HE IS.

Thanks for the recap!

You're welcome!
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 09:00 am (UTC)(link)
(Deleting this comment b/c linking to scans is a no-no, sorry!)

Yes. Page 93 is missing in the zip file that's been linked around. I skipped it in the recap too, since I got the scans a day before my actual copy of the magazine arrived, and I translated from the scans.

(Heck, at least it's not like last month where two whole pages were missing from the scanslation that ended up being spread all over the internet!)

[identity profile] zombiezevi.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
(Whoops sorry~)
I wonder why pages keep being left out. Oh well~ At least I get to see them.

/also Kid and Justin's fight was amusing.
As well as Spirit's hair/
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
There was an awful lot of attention lavished on Spirit's hair in this chapter, wasn't there?

I mean, that one panel where he's staring at Stein and thinking that Stein is turning into a kishin. I know that it's supposed to be a dramatic moment and Spirit is supposed to look horrified and all, but on my god his hair is drawn being fluffed by a gentle breeze and he looks like a shampoo commercial. It kind of ruins the intended dramatic effect.

[identity profile] zombiezevi.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I know! It kind of distracted me. I bet he uses Herbal Essences. Or Death Essences? No, that seems like it wouldn't work..
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[identity profile] willag.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
First of all, thanks for the recap!

And secondly, a big thought-spam below.

Y'know, one of Soul Eater's most interesting aspects ends up leading to one of it's biggest weaknesses. The main antagonist in Soul Eater is insanity, which I always found really intriguing and awesome. The problem is that death (or rather, the fear of death) is treated in such a contradicting matter that it's kinda hard to gauge its weight.

The fear of death was just one of multiple fears that lead Asura down the path to being a Kishin. Characters fear death and fear their loved ones dying. And yet, we have characters like Sid and Free and Tezca that seem to contradict the permanence of death - which relates back to the whole Order vs. Chaos/Insanity argument.

One of my biggest points of contention is why aren't the main characters questioning Sid's presence and getting angry over the implications? I don't think we ever got a thorough explanation as to what happened to Sid and why he's still around (other than a Statue of Liberty was thrust through his skull and Stein brought him back to life) - if I completely overlooked an explanation, please tell me. In the beginning, it made sense for this to happen, because it was made to look like Stein was a "bad guy" that had to be defeated. But once it was revealed he was on Shinigami's side all along, Sid's presence didn't make as much sense anymore.

Why would Shinigami order someone to be brought back to life, since it goes against the natural order of life and death? Is this just another case of him bending the rules? Who is he willing to bend the rules for then? Is he trying to maintain a balance of order and chaos? Was Sid too important of a member to lose that his presence was necessary? Would Joe Buttataki have been brought back if his soul wasn't completely destroyed? Or did one of Stein's insanity episodes hit and he brought Sid back to life just because and Shinigami just let it be?

And what about everybody's reaction to his presence? I mean, why fear death if turning into a zombie afterwards is still a possibility? Why aren't more people angry? "Oh, why did XXX have to die while Sid gets a second chance?"

I have considered before writing a fanfic where Maka gets turned into a zombie and really analyzing the implications of such a situation. First off, the personal issues with being a zombie - being one who is "out of order", which Maka would probably struggle with for a while, on top of other adjustments (do zombies need to eat, sleep, breathe? are their bodies actually brought back to life with normal bodily functions or are they a walking corpse?). And secondly, I'd like to look at the social issues. Would she be ostracized? Rejected? Feared?

As of now, I do not plan to write this. Mainly because I'm a lazy butt. But it's also something that's just so hard and strange to write for a series that's normally light in plot and heavy on action (and friendships). I mean, there's a lot of stuff there to really develop the relationship between Maka and Soul that I'm certain many fans would squeal over (myself included). But it seems like it could easily get bogged down in angst for a series that's more about determination and being gung-ho (one of the many reasons I love the series).

Stylistically, having a zombie around makes sense in Soul Eater. Which is why I don't argue when someone says that Soul Eater is more about style than substance. Sometimes Ohkubo adds things in that don't really make sense and have no explanation but fit the theme and style of the series. And I'm mostly cool with this since I enjoy Soul Eater for what it is and I can fill in the plot holes with my own explanations to fulfill my satisfaction. But it can still get a bit frustrating at times.

(Also, having the characters debate such heavy-handed and symbolic issues during inopportune moments with such pretentious dialogue, such as the beginning of this chapter, feels so contrived. Sorry, Ohkubo, but most casual conversations don't sound like this. Please take Natural-Sounding Dialogue 101 again. You're making my friends and I look like a bunch of inadequate idiots in comparison.)

Whatever. Too many words, not enough bewbs in this post. I'm clearly missing the point. XD
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[identity profile] willag.livejournal.com 2011-12-17 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, Happy Birthday! I just read this in a message above.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-18 05:52 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! :)
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-18 05:51 am (UTC)(link)
Er, I think you might have overlooked a vital detail about Sid.

He wasn't killed and then brought back to life by Stein. Rather, he was killed by having the Statue of Liberty figure thrust through his skull, which turned him into a zombie. So, it's not like just anybody that dies can be "brought back" as a zombie. Rather, they have to be killed in a specific way that turns them into a zombie. I guess it's kind of like Vampire Rules or whatever: Not everybody that dies can become a vampire. You have to be bitten and killed by a vampire to become a vampire. The method of death leads to the undead transformation. And as to why Sid became a zombie, he stated it pretty clearly himself: he wanted to see what dying was like, so why the fuck not.

And yet, we have characters like Sid and Free and Tezca that seem to contradict the permanence of death - which relates back to the whole Order vs. Chaos/Insanity argument.

The argument (at least in this specific chapter) isn't about defying the concept of death itself, but rather defying Shinigami-sama's orders. Shinigami-sama (aka Death) symbolically represents "order" because of the order that death brings to the world, hence Harvar's dumbass analogies in this chapter, BUT it's already been established that Death/Order can make exceptions and bend the rules. There are exceptions to death (Immortals, zombies, whatever the fuck happened to Tezca) just as Shinigami-sama is willing to make exceptions to his own rules (i.e. taking in Angela, making a deal with Medusa, etc.). There have to be exceptions, as Kid told Eibon several chapters ago, or else the universe would be rigid and unalterable to the extent of existence becoming pointless.

So it's really a non-argument, as Kid has already given the Spartoi permission to decide for themselves what to do with Crona. The argument that the characters should be having at this point is whether Crona is so dangerous that s/he needs to be killed or not, NOT whether or not they should be disobeying Shinigami-sama's orders. Because Kid told them four chapters ago that Shinigami-sama was just testing them and WANTED them to make their own decision. Argh.

(Anonymous) 2011-12-20 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
I have a really deep gut feelings about some things that might happen on the Crona mission:

1 - [PERSON A] will be killed by Crona, leading [PERSON B] to go mad with rage. And attack Crona. (... Pretty much all of them but Soul and Maka are available to be PERSON A or PERSON B. Even Tsubaki and Black Star. Heck, maybe even Soul or Maka... but I think they would only APPEAR dead to the others, but not actually be dead.)

2 - Crona's Black Blood WILL make Soul go insane. I mean, if Soul went mad from those black spheres back in Russia... then it's pretty obvious that he'll go mad from their creator.

3 - Medusa will be prominent in the fight IN SOME WAY... in which way I do not know. Probably just a driving force in Crona's head.

Ack, sorry! I wrote all that down without thinking! Stupid fan ranting... Also, am I one of the only ones looking forward to when they find Medusa's body (you know, the one thats STILL on the floor of her base, completely mutilated by Crona)? I kinda want to see their reaction. Really badly.

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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-20 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Er, Medusa's body isn't at the church in Italy, so I doubt the Spartoi are going to see it. Unless Crona dragged it to Italy with hir.

Other than that, interesting thoughts, mousey! With Ohkubo it's always hard to predict how things will play out, but we'll see!

[identity profile] icepelt.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, ladies, you're both pretty now stop fighting. >.

my toughts

[identity profile] waseem imam saheb (from livejournal.com) 2011-12-22 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
well thnx for the summary... i was also excited and then bummed that granny survived only to be killed... kaguya is definitely goin to get her naked ass whipped... okhubo is just build our dislike for her so that when it happens we enjoy it... i also wonder about sid n nygus... medusa was too awesome of a villain to have just conceded defeat so easily... she is arguably the main villain... as for justin ... he represent zealots who are so blinded by their beliefs they do terrible things... cant wait for him to die... esp for buttadaki joe, tesca and now granny's deaths.... i like the chrona story in that she/he is a tragic being... but like someone mentioned after having murdered a whole city not to mention the deathscythe of russia... can she really survive?

my fav characters are free and eruka... i wonder if its the last we have seen of them.... and i wonder if angela will find out about BS killing mifune....

i also wonder how noah and his crony gopher will fit into the battle along with index? maybe index will suck the kishin into the book... will wrath noah side with the kishin like greed noah?

and will we get to see the girls from NOT in the main story? i mean we have seen akane and his weapon...

soul eater is my fav manga... just wished they followed the manga story for the anime....

(just a random thought hit me- could medusa use the snake in eruka to take over her body like she did arachne?)
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-25 07:12 am (UTC)(link)
just a random thought hit me- could medusa use the snake in eruka to take over her body like she did arachne?

That is a VERY good question.

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(Anonymous) 2011-12-26 03:38 am (UTC)(link)
I think the snake in Eruka disappeared as a result in Medusa's death, I forget which chapter though.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-12-26 08:00 am (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah, good point.