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nenena ([personal profile] nenena) wrote2011-01-15 10:51 pm

Soul Eater Chapter 82: Pay no attention to that retcon behind the curtain!

The color page for this chapter has Maka, Blair, and a pterodactyl wearing tennis shoes.

That much awesome packed into one page can only bode well for the rest of the chapter. Hopefully. But I am admittedly a bit confused as to why Maka is strapped to the bottom of the pterodactyl instead of, I dunno, riding it. Is she going to use the pterodactyl as a parachute? 'Cause that's what it looks like to me!

Moving on. I don't know what to say about the first page of this chapter, except that maybe after forcing all of us to stare into the abyss that was the Salvage arc for the past year, perhaps Ohkubo figured that it was about time that the abyss stared back.

Next, narration! Kishin Asura---.... A quivering mass of paranoia... The ultimate fear... When that horror was unleashed the world began to sink into madness.

Next, Justin doesn't look so good. "Oh-- My God..."

Next, Grandpa Goo Monster is making a one-panel cameo appearance just so that we don't forget that he's still in this manga. Is he still hanging out inside the Book of Eibon? Has he left to seek out more fertile trolling grounds? Pfffft, details. We probably won't find out until 2014 anyway.

Next, Index is also making a cameo appearance! And doing a rather good job at attempting to make his tiny little squiggle-head look ominous and foreboding, too.

Next, back in Nevada! Kid, Stein, and Spirit are with Big Daddy. "I am sorry that I caused you to worry, Father," Kid says.

"No problemo! Only thing that matters is that Kid is OK now," Daddy says. "But no seriously now let's talk about how you just stood there and did nothing while that flying squirrel kid got away with the Book of Eibon and the Brew. Care to provide an explanation for that, young man?"

"I was le tired. And it's not like I was uninjured or anything I mean I totally had a wicked hangnail. Also his name is Gopher."

"And you also connected two whole Lines of Sanzu! It looks like you're starting to awaken your real shinigami powers already!"

Spirit is making ELLIPSES OF ANGST AND WOE.

"Thank you, Father," Kid says.

"So then... About that man called 'Noah'..."

"Yes... I was ultimately unable to discern anything about his true nature, right up until the very end... From the moment that I first saw his soul, I was never able to see his true self, although I sensed that there was something terrifying beneath his surface calm... He wanted everything, and all of his actions served for that purpose alone---... But that was it. There was nothing more to him than that single-minded purpose... He was empty... When humans desire something, they desire for a reason. They have a purpose or a plan for the things that they want... But the man called Noah had nothing. It's almost like you could say that he was nothing more than a machine programmed to collect."

Wait.

Wait.

Wait just a goddamn gingersnapping minute.

I have a terrible suspicion that I know exactly what Big Daddy is going to say next and goddammit Ohkubo don't do this to me---

"A soul made of greed..." Shinigami-sama says. "Greed is also one of the chapters inside of the Book of Eibon..."

"Father, do you know something about this?!"

"Yup... Maybe... Noah might've really been just a machine programmed to collect stuff after all..."

Oh fuck me with a mustard-coated soft pretzel. Ladies and gentlemen, this manga has officially been infected with Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle Syndrome.

TRC Syndrome is a common malady among long-running manga series. The root cause is when an author sets up an important plot point or story arc at some point in the series, devotes much foreshadowing and buildup toward a carefully-planned conclusion, and then midway through the story decides oh no wait I've GOT A BETTER IDEA and thus completely changes the Big Reveal and/or story conclusion that they had planned in the beginning. This, however, means that the author is now left with all of that now-rendered-completely-pointless foreshadowing and buildup in the earlier chapters that now the author must hand-wave or explain away. Thus comes the Talking Heads Fix. So two characters get together and have a long AS YOU KNOW BOB conversation in which they re-explain to the reader everything about what happened in those earlier chapters, but creatively revising certain events so that they fit with the NEW plot that the author has come up with, and desperately trying to convince us readers that this Big NEW Reveal the talking heads are feeding us doesn't directly contradict what we saw happening in those earlier chapters two years ago.

Ohkubo is using Kid as his mouthpiece to retcon Noah's origin. An empty collecting machine (that is about to be revealed to be nothing more than Index's puppet)? Yeah, sure. Going back and looking at the Baba Yaga arc it is painfully clear that this was not Ohkubo's original concept for Noah's character. Heck, even in his notes for the Soul Art artbook Ohkubo makes it painfully clear that this was never the original concept for Noah's character.

The Noah that we were first introduced to was a sneaky, manipulative, intelligent magician and inventor who most decidedly was NOT a simple, single-minded collecting machine. Noah helped Arachne for some mysterious purpose and got no immediately obvious reward for his efforts, either. He built a robot puppy, created Gopher's body, experimented with magic inventions, and considered Medusa his rival. He was picky about his collection - Mosquito and Liz and Patti weren't good enough to be included, after all - NOT single-minded about it. He wasn't a mindless robot: He was clever enough to successfully pose as Eibon, manipulative enough to weasel into Arachne's inner circle, and smart enough to form his own gang when the opportunity arose to lure in allies. Ohkubo (via Kid) can repeatedly state that there was nothing but purposeless, empty-minded greed going on inside Noah's head, but while that was certainly true during the end of the Salvage Arc it was most certainly not the case two years ago. If Noah's only purpose was to collect things, then why did he help Arachne build the Morality Manipulation Machine or cast her magic to become insanity itself? If Noah's only purpose was to collect things, then why did he create Morby or any of this other experiments? If Noah had no ultimate goal behind his collecting, then why did he take so many steps toward exclusively collecting the Great Old Ones, to the extent of choosily ignoring less-interesting possible additions to his collection and even going as far as to attempt to take Maka's soul more than once just so that he could use it to find Asura? Those are not the actions of a man driven by desire without purpose. Those are the actions of a man who has a plan, who wants the Great Old Ones for a reason, and who knows what he needs to do to get his hands on them.

But I guess at some point Ohkubo decided that regardless of what his original storyline for Noah was supposed to look like, oh no wait he's GOT A BETTER IDEA so now we're about to have this Noah-is-a-puppet-of-Index plot firecracker blow up in our faces. And Ohkubo is going to devote three pages of this manga to Kid and Big Daddy taking turns trading the Captain Exposition Hat back and forth and repeatedly telling each other (that is, telling us the readers) that actually Noah was totally like a mindless machine without a plan all along (except for how he totally wasn't). This instead of, I dunno, having Kid or Shini display anything beyond the barest minimum amount of emotion during their reunion with each other. Ugh, this whole scene is even more hollow than when Liz and Patti were all like "oh hey Kid" two chapters ago.

To make a brief comparison: When Stein came back after being gone for a year he got multiple panels of hugging and emotional reunions. But I guess that nobody really cares about Kid that much. Seriously, Liz and Patti and now Big Daddy himself only offer the barest minimal amount of "hey glad you're not dead" reactions to Kid's return. Black Star gave the biggest emotional display when he was reuinted with Kid, and y'all are free to draw your own conclusions about that.

So here Kid is finally being reunited with Big Daddy after having been abducted and tortured and driven mad and (I guess, just barely) having slightly somewhat finally developed as a character. From the opening lines of dialogue we can tell that this is definitely their first time seeing each other since Kid's return. And so what do we get? Instead of any sort of believable display of emotion or any sort of sign of development of Kid and Daddy's relationship whatsoever, instead we get three pages of AS YOU KNOW BOB dialogue desperately trying to explain away the obvious fact that Ohkubo decided to completely change the Noah-plot halfway through its run.

In short, this is the classic TRC Syndrome symptom: replacing what should be emotional character moments with pages and pages of expository dialogue while two characters try to info-dump at each other the retconned details about past events that the author suddenly needs us readers to believe.

Now all we need is for Soul to turn out to be his own time-traveling grandpa and this really will be just like reading Tsubasa all over again. Ugh squared.

But moving on. Speaking of emotions, Gopher is a sad little rodent. "Noah-sama..." he sniffles.

Meanwhile, Index dons the Captain Exposition Hat. "Noah accomplished my purpose for him... With his 'greed' he was driven to obtain the Brew..."

If I remember correctly Noah wasn't even looking for the Brew and then all of a sudden it just kind of fell into Noah's lap because Kid was acting like a complete idiot, but whatevers.

"Eibon-sama sealed himself away..." Index goes on. "But I am not like him. I want to teach..."

An apple falls from the tree beneath which Gopher is sitting. Gopher picks up the apple. OH REAL SUBTLE SYMBOLISM THERE, OHKUBO. REAL SUBTLE.

"When humans first obtained knowledge, they lost paradise..." Index goes on. "However... If humans could obtain even more knowledge, what would become of them then...? And if they could know everything that there is to know in this world, what then...?"

(Who is he talking to? No, seriously?)

Back in Nevada! "Humans must not learn more knowledge than is necessary to them," Stein says. Wait, this is coming from a professor?! From Stein of all people? From Mr. I-want-to-cut-off-Spirit's-toes-and-sew-them-back-on-his-feet-again-just-to-see-if-I-can?! "If one could actually know everything that there is to know in the world, he would never be able to think anything new ever again. It would be the same as ceasing to live at all..."

"The Book of Eibon contains within it the possibility of knowing all of that knowledge," Shinigami-sama says. "Didn't you feel anything unusual when you held the book, Stein?"

Wait, when did Stein ever touch the real Book of Eibon?

"I felt as though my thoughts stopped completely..." Okay but when did this happen?!

"When faced with the sum of all knowledge, humans completely lose their ability to think," Shini says.

"Is that the madness of 'knowledge'...?" Kid asks.

I dunno, why don't we ask Index? Because he is apparently still talking to himself. "The insanity of 'knowledge'. The insanity of 'power'. And... The insanity of 'fear'. But then what, exactly, is 'insanity' itself...? Insanity is born because order exists. Or perhaps it is the other way around? Could it be that order was born because insanity exists? Ah, either way, it matters not. It is the same riddle as that of the chicken and the egg... I must not allow the release of Eibon-sama's knowledge to be restricted by those rules of order... I must give the humans new knowledge... They must be made to understand Eibon-sama's greatness."

The Book of Eibon trembles. "Image of 'wrath'..." Index says.

And then the book opens.

"Noah-sama..." Gopher gasps.

And then he does a double-take. Wait, this can't be Noah-sama. Noah-sama liked plaid shirts around his waist, snazzy caps, fuzzy jackets, and misapplied belts. This person is dressed like a stylish hipster douchebag. "Who are you?!" Gopher demands to know.

"Shut UP!!" Noah snarls, grabbing Gopher by the throat. "Shut your mouth and follow me."

Oh my god. Gopher's face. "You... You're so wild, Noah-sama..."

Meanwhile, back in Nevada, Stein has a shiny new cadaver to play with! Yay! "Tezca Tlipoca..." Shinigami-sama says.

"I'm opening it," Stein says. And a moment later, "Who? Who is this...?"

"What's going on here...?" Spirit asks. Well I think it should be obvious, but let's give Spirit some leeway here, he's not very bright and he's probably been drinking. "Does this mean that Tezca Tlipoca isn't dead?"

"No..." Stein says. "I'm certain that in that moment---..."

If the implication is that In that moment SOMEBODY sure as hell had his intestines ripped out by worms then that suddenly makes the question of who exactly is in the body bag very, very important.

"Tezca is a demon mirror..." Stein says. "His speciality is magic that both reflects images and projects illusions... He may have shown us an elaborate deception..."

"And why would Tezca have any reason to deceive you all?" Kid shoots back. "He's a deathscythe, after all..."

"He may have been brainwashed by insanity the same way that Justin was..." Spirit suggests ominously.

Kid is at least as smart as the entire SE fandom in seeing right through this bullshit. "Are you trying to suggest that all deathscythes are that weak?" Kid snaps at Spirit. "I may not know Tezca-san very well, but I know that there's no way he could have betrayed us!"

Meanwhile, somewhere else! Tezca, sans headpiece, is smoking. I hope that he's smoking a joint and I hope that he has some powerfully good stuff rolled up in that joint, because if he's going where Justin is then he's gonna need it. "Deceiving everyone like that was a crappy thing t'do to them, but... Once I've reflected someone in my mirror once, I can follow that person forever. Justin knew about my power so I hadta make it look like I bit the dust, or else Justin would've never made a move."

Wait, who is he talking to?

Between Index and Tezca, this chapter sure has a lot of awkwardly unnatural monologues, doesn't it.

"So that's why... I used a dummy to fake my death, even though it meant goin' as far as deceiving Enrique and disobeying Shinigami-sama's orders... But if I hadn't done it then there'd be no way to follow Justin's trail now."

So Enrique wasn't in on the fake death after all. And now this means that the reason that Enrique was only shown appearing in one panel with the group of adults that were approaching Noah's lair in chapter 73 and then was completely absent during the actual battle itself is NOT because Enrique was hiding with the real Tezca behind the sidelines of the battle, but rather simply because Ohkubo just plain FORGOT THAT HE WAS THERE. Or less charitably, Ohkubo remembered that Enrique was there but was too lazy to add him to the fight scenes. As if that entire battle wasn't a poorly-coreographed, poorly-drawn mess in the first place, but now we find out that Ohkubo just plain forgot to add an entire character to the battle?!

Man, I know that I've been complaining about people's lack of reaction to Kid's abduction and subsequent return, but THIS just blows that right out of the water. Tezca appeared to be gruesomely murdered right in front of his partner's eyes and Ohkubo couldn't even be arsed to show us Enrique's reaction at all! Because Ohkubo apparently forgot all about how Enrique was even supposed to be there with Tezca in the first place!

That is some powerfully lazy and powerfully poorly-thought-out manga writing, right there.

Anyway, now Tezca is picking something up off the ground. "From now on I can't be too conspicuous, so..."

SO HE PUTS A GIANT SQUIRREL MASK ON HIS HEAD. "Better disguise myself!!"

Meanwhile, in Moscow! "You're not good enough for a black blood experiment," Crona tells a couple of cannon-fodder Shibusen grunts as zie wipes the floor with them. "I must obey Medusa-sama's commands... I must destroy a deathscythe..."

"Keep advancing and soon you will reach Shibusen's Eastern Europe Division..." Medusa tells Crona. "We must continue to develop the strength of your black blood. And then I will have my own kishin after all... Are you listening, Crona? The purpose of this training exercise is to increase the strength of your black blood. Use your blood itself to attack the enemies."

"Understood," Crona says.

Meanwhile, two dudes have rushed to the scene of the bloodshed. "Where are they, Fukohadoru?!" the Big Guy asks. Fukohadoru is obviously some sort of katakana pun, but I have no idea what it could possibly be so I'm gonna go ahead and say that it's punny for "Fuckhard" right now.

"Right around here." Fuckhard shines his flashlight at Crona.

Big Guy orally molests some ellipses. "So it's this waify kid...?"

"Yes. If I am not mistaken."

"Hey, Crona!" Ragnarok says. "Check out that big guy! Ain't we seen him in a picture or somethin' before?"

"Yes. He is our target," Crona says. "One of the deathscythes. His name is Tsar." Crona pops out hir third arm. "Madness Fusion. Beginning the experiment now. Bloody Needle...."

I don't think I've ever actually seen Ohkubo use ellipses in a bubble where somebody is CALLING OUT THEIR ATTACK MOVE before. Jesus. This is beyond grammatically vile.

Fuckhard gets ready to attack. Crona drops hir defenses and just stands there waiting for it. "Remember not to use me!" Ragnarok tells Crona. Because I guess the purpose of this experiment is to see whether Crona's black blood is strong enough to resist attacks, uh?

Aaaaand here comes Fuckhard. "COMMAND COSSACK!" he says. Dancing as he attacks! It's just like West Side Story!

So three kicks in the face later, Crona isn't even hurt. "We expected as much from a deathscythe's partner..." Ragnarok says.

And then Crona looks up and realizes that Tsar is popping off his own head. Crona is like "!!" and makes kung-fu hands.

Kung-fu hands turn out to be unsurprisingly ineffective against a cannonball blast! Fortunately Ragnarok protects Crona. "Bloody Coat!"

Tsar pulls back his head. "Demon Cannonball Tsar Pushka," he introduces himself. "I'll make you pay back the debt for this destruction with your death."

"The black blood armor was crushed during the fight against Black Star," Medusa comments. "Beginning this fight in a defensive position was a good choice," she praises Crona.

But then Crona whips out a knife and cuts hir wrist, because I guess that the time for being on the defensive is over. "My blood is black," Crona says, as kishin eyes erupt from hir wrist.

Aaaaaand that's it for this month! So, in short: There was a lot of good in this chapter. Two new plots starting at once, Tezca's return (which should surprise exactly nobody), Crona's return, Tezca's epic disguise, and Gopher being gayer than a treeful of monkeys on nitrous oxide. But then we have the bad: A stupidly obvious retcon about Noah, a chapter that was 75% pure exposition, and a plot that essentially boils down to "knowing stuff is bad for you."

No seriously I am not going to get on board with this new "KNOWLEDGE IS EVIL" plot because my god is that stupid. It's not even philosophically interesting the way that Ohkubo's treatment of power-insanity and order-insanity have been so far. This is just. plain. stupid. Stein and Shini's cautioning about the dangers of humans knowing too much reads like it was written while Ohkubo was channeling the spirits of Pastor Terry Jones, Fred Phelps, Andrew Schlafly, Judson Phillips, and those book-burning dudes from Farenheit 451. It's like trying to make NBC's "The More You Know" campaign sound like the most insidiously evil thing ever:



NO DON'T LISTEN TO NBC

KNOWING TOO MUCH IS BAD FOR YOU

THE MORE YOU KNOW THE MORE LIKELY IT IS THAT YOUR BRAIN WILL STOP WORKING AND THEN YOU DIE

Also clearly Index is the most evil creature ever because he wants to, you know, teach people things.

There's a nugget of a possibly interesting conflict here. The danger is not that human knowledge of the divine is bad, but there could be a convincing argument made that a higher being imparting too much knowledge at once upon humanity would be a bad thing. What would be the point if God just dropped by one day and said "Hey humanity, you wanna know how the universe began, what dark matter is, the truth about quantum physics, and the meaning of life itself? Well pull up a chair and I'll tell you." If you're of the mind (as I am) that humanity betters itself through scientific inquiry and the evolution of knowledge, then yeah, that would be a bad thing. Scientific inquiry drives the development of technology, the improvement of our worldview, and the advancement of our cultures. Knowledge is something that the human race earns for itself, not something imparted magically from a higher being. Also from a pure educational perspective just telling your students stuff - or even just having them read it in a book - is one of the worst ways to get them to learn anything. Kids learn better and retain their newfound knowledge more meaningfully if they can experiment and discover their way to knowledge on their own.

ETA: [livejournal.com profile] digimondreamer pointed out in the comments that the way that the anime series treated the 'insanity of knowledge' was much more compelling too, as the conflict there was that wanting knowledge at any cost could lead to one abandoning ethics and morals. Which was the danger that Stein and Eibon both dealt with in the anime: Not knowing too much, but being willing to do evil things in order to gain knowledge.

But the way that Ohkubo is approaching the "insanity of knowledge" in this chapter is come on, pretty asinine. And therefore uncompelling. In a fantasy world, sure, there are things that humans aren't meant to know and dangers when mere mortal minds are faced with total knowledge. But that's a fantasy problem, not a problem in reality. In real life there's no such thing as total knowledge and there will never be "knowledge that humans weren't meant to know." In reality there is no such thing as having too much knowledge. This bullshit about "and then your brain stops working!" is clearly that, made-up fantasy bullshit.

And that's exactly what makes this "conflict" so much less interesting (and so much more shallow) than the way that Ohkubo previously treated the "insanity of order" and the "insanity of power." Those two issues were clearly, well, real issues: Yes, in the real world power corrupts and yes, in the real world having 'absolute order' as a goal in any context is never going to be a good idea. But instead of casting the "insanity of knowledge" in the same terms of universal human conflict that Ohkubo presented power and order in - that is, presenting a conflict about the dangers of pursuing knowledge at the cost of ethics, or even a more philosophical conflict about the value of knowledge imparted versus knowledge earned - oh not, instead Ohkubo is presenting us with this fantasy-world conflict about how "total knowledge" is dangerous and how humanity isn't meant to know all of the knowledge of the gods. So epic eyeroll at all of this.

I keep reading people saying that this chapter made up for the failures of the Salvage arc. How?! So it turns out that Tezca wasn't randomly pwned after all, okay. But a) we all already knew that, and b) that doesn't change the fact that the way that the rest of the adults were destroyed by Noah made no sense, and c) it's even worse now that we know that there was no reason for Enrique to have been missing from that battle other than because Ohkubo forgot that he was supposed to be there. So it turns out that there was an explanation for how Noah consistently failed to actually do anything as a villain, okay. This doesn't change the fact that he still started out as a very different character with great promise and then that promise piddled away into him being retconned as a "collecting machine." And none of the preceeding makes up for the epic genderfailures (Patti is built up as a badass meister and then does nothing! Liz cries about how much she misses Kid and then does nothing to save him! Marie and Nygus lie around like helpless damsels while only Sid and Stein can fight back!), the epic dues ex machina that solved Kid's little insanity problem, or the inexplicable way that Gopher escaped the final battle.

I am not happy about where this new arc is going, but we'll see.



BTW I am going to be recapping Soul Eater Not! in a separate post later because it is FULL OF AWESOME and totally amazing and exactly everything that I hoped it would be. But I wanted to get this steaming turd of a chapter out of the way before I could move on to the actual GOOD MANGA this month.

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BAWWW CRONA

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[identity profile] chiikaboom.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 04:40 am (UTC)(link)
NEXT CHAPTER. WELCOME HOME PARTY FOR KIDD.

I DONT CARE, SOME KIND OF FLUFF, SHOW THAT SOMEONE FUCKING CARES THAT THIS CHARACTER WAS ABDUCTED, BEATEN, TORTURED, AND GONE BATSHIT FOR A FUCKING YEAR

Whatever new idea Ohkubo came up with, it better be fucking amazing because had all of the fucking shit the fandom expected were canon the arc wouldve been amazing tastic awesome.

Seriously, giving the poor guy a fucking hug every once and a while, is that so damn hard? Christ on a cracker.

I bet you, if there is a welcome back party for Kidd next chapter, Black Star will be the one to give him a god damn hug. I can totally just see it. Hell Liz and Patti probably wont even be at the fucking party, because despite relaying it over and over to use that YES THEY DO ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT HIM, fuck drawing it out, lets just leave it to the fans imagination and not draw any emotional reunion at all.

Im still glad that there is another Noah (even though i feel cheated on his character now) because it gives me hope that itll still lead to some kind of troika situation in one way or another. I really hope he isnt a new character entirely and doesnt remember anything as Greed!Noah, because otherwise i feel mega cheated to have a character change on me three fucking times over.

This new arc better be fucking amazing. Because if it turned into a tsubasa chronicle god damn SHITBIN ill still be reading it, because Ohkubo got me far too attached to these stupid characters for me to drop it now. I dont care about Chrona right now, I just want some decent character development for THREE MAIN CHARACTERS THAT HAVENT GOTTEN SHIT!

And i still dont see how the clown thing with Killik fit at all into the salvage arc. It still doesn't add up, because he did nothing in the goddamn fight either.

I still love Medusa to death, but now that Greed!Noah as gone, the whole "competition" between them that Ohkubo started with will amount to nothing. And that part made no fucking sense either, since they were after the kishin despite Medusa being the goddamn person who set him free in the first place.

And now after reading Not! its blatantly clear to me that Ohkubo would much rather draw stupid girls doing stupid things than a badass shonen series. It makes perfect sense, considering the disgusting front covers he drew of Maka and the genderbending.

Christ.

-deep breath-

Ill shut up now, because I can rant forever. I dont even care about the whole "danger of knowledge" thing. I dont care if it made no sense, or whatever. I dont care, i just want some awesome characters get some awesome development like everyone else in the series has. And we shouldnt have to wait 80 chapters in the goddamn series for one of the main characters to do something remotely significant.

ANYWAYS. Thanks so much for the recap as usual~ even though i couldn't possibly be setting myself up for more disappointment, I still think Ohkubo will do something thatll blow us away. Eventually. Even if it takes another 3 fucking years, ill still be reading this series, and ill be waiting.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
And i still dont see how the clown thing with Killik fit at all into the salvage arc. It still doesn't add up, because he did nothing in the goddamn fight either.

TBF, that was giving Kirikou a moment for the sake of giving Kirikou a moment. See, it's nice to see the characters that you like being awesome regardless of whether their side-story is part of the larger plot or not.

Liz and Patti have yet to do anything as awesome as what Kirikou and Jackie and Ox have done. And that's sad.

And now after reading Not! its blatantly clear to me that Ohkubo would much rather draw stupid girls doing stupid things than a badass shonen series.

Aw come on now, I loved Not!

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Refreshing yet an asspull

[identity profile] digimondreamer.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
I must say that this chapter was... interesting but thats all I got out of it. I was thinking much about what was going on but then came that whole, "knowledge is bad" and I'm wondering where this came from!

The whole madness of knowledge just feels really akward, the anime version felt more correct with the whole, "wanting knowledge will lead you to break rules and normal ethnics" than this one!
I mean, I see kind of where Okubo is trying to come from in some twisted HP Lovecraft shout out but really, REALLY?

Knowledge is NOT going to make me stop thinking and become a veggie!
*sighs*

Continuing on past the horrible writing and knowledge, I was happy to see Crona again yet, doesn't seem like s/he improved much since the asskicking that Black Star gave it.
ps: Though, I did love that last panel because it was the first Crona picture I was ever disturbed by!

I can't wait for Soul Eater NOT! It sounds really good by what I have heard.
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Re: Refreshing yet an asspull

[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
The whole madness of knowledge just feels really akward, the anime version felt more correct with the whole, "wanting knowledge will lead you to break rules and normal ethnics" than this one!
I mean, I see kind of where Okubo is trying to come from in some twisted HP Lovecraft shout out but really, REALLY?


This is a really good point. And yeah, way to miss the obvious and more interesting conflict about knowledge, Ohkubo.

[identity profile] spirit-albarn.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 05:14 am (UTC)(link)
Bad story-telling makes me angry like nothing else.

Maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if I hadn't just finished catching up on Kekkaishi and Ao no Exorcist. Ohkubo's a professional, after all, I'm sure he knows what he's doing. Gnngh.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Kekkaishi is good stuff. Sad that Soul Eater lately has been so crappy in comparison.

[identity profile] neocloud9.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 05:20 am (UTC)(link)
CRONA IS BACK AND THAT MAKES ME HAPPY.

But gawd, I really hope this series doesn't go the way of Tsubasa. I would cry large salty tears of deep regret...

[identity profile] popcorn42.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 05:52 am (UTC)(link)
I sorta wanna read Tsubasa now, after this recap. >> But, I agree with what you're saying.

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[identity profile] plushabilities.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
I wonder if the KNOWLEDGE IS BAD is supposed to be bullshit, like a thinly veiled attempt at NEVER TRUST THE MAN.

Ether way, the series is supposedly about the battle with madness, part of me wonders if the WTF that's been going on lately is going to end up being intentional and that, because the goodies are losing the fight, the madness is 'leaking' not only into the heroes but also the plot and audience itself. It's like the storyline itself is twisting in a, I dunno if it's the right term, meta kind of way?



(Anonymous) 2011-01-16 07:05 am (UTC)(link)
haha! or maybe it's just Ohkubo going mad :P

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[identity profile] lishypo.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 05:34 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, Enrique was with Tezca before he was supposedly made worm food? I thought he was completely alone that whole time.

I thought reading this might be helpful, but I still have no idea what's going on with this series anymore.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Enrique was shown standing with Tezca, Stein, Marie, and Sid when they were in front of Noah's hideout in Chapter 73.

So yeah, he was supposed to have been there with them.

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(Anonymous) 2011-01-16 07:04 am (UTC)(link)
I was pretty happy with this chapter.

I guess I have a tendency now to apply my own imagination to this series-- I fill in the plot holes with my own theories.

So, without further ado, I present: My theories! Let's see here.

First off, the retcon. Yeah, it's pretty obvious that Ohkubo was a lameass and changed his mind about Noah. That said, I'll put up my head-canon! So... If Noah was a "collecting machine", as Shinigami claims, then maybe he is only awesome and competent until he retrieves what it is he needs to retrieve? So he was all badass and scary while Arachnophobia was around, but once he picked up BREW he didn't need to be, so Index just shut his brain off? :P

Let's see... oh, more Noah. This one's more of a prediction. Okay, so Greed was the last chapter visited when rescuing Kid. Wrath was the second-to-last. And according to Mr. Reaper, the Noah we knew was "Greed", and the new one is "Wrath". So... Assuming it's going in the same (reverse) order, does that make Lust!Noah the final Noah? If so... oh god.

And another. Inkthulu was shown with Index, and suddenly I've got to thinking that goobers down there in the book is Eibon? I don't recall a distinction ever being made between the two... Something to ponder.

Ending crack theory time, is now time for gushing about Death Scythes!

I love Tezca. The fact that he smokes is so completely perfect!! Cause Tezcatlipocta means "smoking mirror"... HE'S A MIRROR AND HE SMOKES :D I feel so clever. I hope that was an intentional thing.

Aaand RUSSIA. Part of the reason I am so immensely happy about this is... long story short, I go an a SE roleplay site which has a most lovely fanmade OC teacher who is a badass Russian dude. Now that that's out, I love the design of these two guys. I seriously hope that they hand Crona's ass to... Crona. On a silver platter.

So yeah, despite all the usual "what the hell were you thinking Ohkubo" in this chapter, I rather liked it. Looking forward to seeing where the series goes to next.

Can't wait for the 'cap of Not! :>

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[identity profile] symbolswriter.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, distinction between Eibon and Kthulhu-thingie WAS made, as blobby said that 5 Great Old Ones remain now "me, Shinigami, Eibon and the other one you know", or something. Anyway, they seem to be different characters, having "Power" and "Knowledge" to represent.

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[identity profile] cherry-blossom4.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 07:06 am (UTC)(link)
I was definitely clueless about what was going on this chapter. Also, very very sad about the lack of emotional response to Kid's rescue. I was seriously looking forward to that.

Overall, Disappointment :(
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, very very sad about the lack of emotional response to Kid's rescue. I was seriously looking forward to that.

Me too.

[identity profile] meni-tan.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 07:16 am (UTC)(link)
Did Ookubo just watch "a beautiful mind" and try to bring that into the manga some how but completely failing in saying "That there's a fine line between genius and insane" but going strait to "knowledge is bad!"

Also I've always wonder why Liz and Patty never kick Maka's ass for hiding the book of ebion (Liz and Patty even asked if Maka knew anything about the book, but of course she lies about not know anything about it) And if not Liz and Patty then Kid (he was looking for it too)

btw love Gophers little gay face xD
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Also I've always wonder why Liz and Patty never kick Maka's ass for hiding the book of ebion (Liz and Patty even asked if Maka knew anything about the book, but of course she lies about not know anything about it)

THIS IS A GOOD POINT.

[identity profile] phoenix-z.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 08:19 am (UTC)(link)
I'm all into science and knowledge stuff too and have a lot of hate for the pro-ignorant forces here in the West, but I got a different spin from this. I don't think the message is "knowledge is bad"; it looks like having complete and total knowledge is bad because it leaves nothing left for a curious mind to strive for. Human knowledge can't ever really reach infinity so to suggest that is a reason to stop learning is not an equitable response.

I can just picture Soul telling Maka that he doesn't give a shit about passing a test because knowing everything is teh ebil. She'd whack him a deserved good one.

But, in the theory that appears to be presented here, when all is known there's nothing left to do. It could be interpreted as resulting in a sort of madness, and I think it *could* be interesting. It's not a clean cut White-Black debate. What Index seems to be promising is way beyond what humans could ever learn even if all of humanity geared up for generations of super-nerd experimenting and exploring. Not sure how it will play out here but I'm sure Ohkubo isn't participating in our american wars for smarts or ignorance (or on the side of the wimmin-haters, for that matter).

I also picked up on strains of a "the world isn't what you think it is (and humanity's knowing it would totally upset the apple cart)" vibe. But that's been running on a low current through out the series.

When a series seems to be changing focus I always wonder how much input the editor has and if the mangaka is being pressured or just is flaky and goes with whatever the reader polling says. This chapter read a bit like an unfinished TV episode storyboard. Maybe he's been thinking in video instead of panel.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 10:03 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think the message is "knowledge is bad"; it looks like having complete and total knowledge is bad because it leaves nothing left for a curious mind to strive for.

Believe me, I do understand that that's what Ohkubo was going for. (Me making fun of the NBC logo and stuff was just taking the piss out of the manga for the sake of taking the piss out of the manga.) But my objection is still this: IRL there is no such thing as complete and total knowledge. So Ohkubo creating this fantasy-world problem about the dangers of humans knowing things that they were never meant to know is just about the most shallow approach to the "insanity of knowledge" that he could take. There are other ways that he could have cast the problem - i.e. the dangers of knowledge imparted from on high instead of earned, or the dangers of pursuing knowledge at the cost of morals and ethics - but he went for the least interesting approach possible instead.

Like I said, it's not a problem that I find compelling because "knowing too much" is never a problem that can exist in reality. It's not like the way that Ohkubo presented the insanity of power or the insanity of order - clearly problems that are universal to humanity and therefore, you know, interesting things to tackle as conflicts in a fantasy manga.

Not sure how it will play out here but I'm sure Ohkubo isn't participating in our american wars for smarts or ignorance (or on the side of the wimmin-haters, for that matter).

Well of course not. But I mentioned those idiots by name because they are the only faction of our culture left today that is still truly, passionately arguing that there are things that humanity simply isn't meant to know. Which again, as far as I'm concerned, is a la-la cuckoo-land fantasy worldview. Here in reality there is no limit to human knowledge, certainly no limit defined by what the gods would prefer for us not to know.

When this whole bit about the "insanity of knowledge" opens with Stein (of all characters!) flat-out saying "Humanity mustn't learn more knowledge than it was meant to know," it's pretty clear that this is going to be the core of the conflict about "knowledge" - like you said, the dangers of upsetting the apple cart - and frankly I find that boring specifically because it's a conflict that can only exist in a fantasy world.

[identity profile] wodalzz.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 08:53 am (UTC)(link)
Wasn't the book of Eibon borrowable in Shibusen's library? I mean, maybe Stein stein had it in his hands before Maka went borrowing it.

WAIT, if Stein experienced some bad things with that book, then Maka must've had that too, huh?

Anyways, thankyou very much for the recap, looking forward to SE not.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 10:11 am (UTC)(link)
The copy of the Book of Eibon was in the Shibusen library, but would the copy really have the same powers as the original?

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[identity profile] darksyx.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 09:26 am (UTC)(link)
I don't see the retcon as something so bad and not nearly TRC, really; Noah can be at the same time a collecting machine and a capable magician *shrugs* but that's me and my very personal opinion.

With the knowledge I understood it as having universal excessive knowledge can bring you to madness, hence, it's bad. Not as knowledge is bad per se.

Soul Eater Not. Maybe I have my yuri goggles constantly on these days, also I can't read Japanese to save my life, but omg, this manga.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 09:50 am (UTC)(link)
With the knowledge I understood it as having universal excessive knowledge can bring you to madness, hence, it's bad. Not as knowledge is bad per se.

I know, I got that. (Me making fun of the NBC logo and stuff was just taking the piss out of the manga for the sake of taking the piss out of the manga.) But my objection is still this: IRL there is no such thing as universal excessive knowledge. So Ohkubo creating this fantasy-world problem about the dangers of humans knowing things that they were never meant to know is just about the most shallow approach to the "insanity of knowledge" that he could take. There are other ways that he could have cast the problem - i.e. the dangers of knowledge imparted from on high instead of earned, or the dangers of pursuing knowledge at the cost of morals and ethics - but he went for the least interesting approach possible instead.

Like I said, it's not a problem that I find compelling because "knowing too much" is never a problem that can exist in reality. It's not like the way that Ohkubo presented the insanity of power or the insanity of order - clearly problems that are universal to humanity and therefore, you know, interesting things to tackle as conflicts in a fantasy manga.

And yeah, Soul Eater Not! is pretty awesome.

[identity profile] mangaholic.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 11:35 am (UTC)(link)
I wish it would be possible to write Mr. Ohkubo a message that he should go back to the old concept of Soul Eater. And stop forgetting about characters damnit!

I know it would not change much but at least he would know that his fans are not happy about the current chapters. At least I hope so. xD"

As always, thank you very much for the recap!
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish it would be possible to write Mr. Ohkubo a message that he should go back to the old concept of Soul Eater.

I think he got the message, and it's called Soul Eater Not!

As always, thank you very much for the recap!

You are very welcome!

(Anonymous) 2011-01-16 11:59 am (UTC)(link)


So there was a Greed Noah, now there is a Wrath Noah... so we have 5 more Noah's to go through, oh joy, but at least Gopher should be questionably happy for the rest of the arc.

Also YAYS for Crona Finally being back!!!

(Anonymous) 2011-01-16 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, Gopher, the evidence is reeeeeaally piling up.

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[identity profile] effin-science.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Two things, then I can begin actually saying something smart:


DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUN

Image
And suddenly, everything makes so much sense.

Okay, now that that's over with. For Stein, I hope one of two things happened: Either he got kidnapped by Gopher somehow and the one seen here is a cheap knockoff, or even better than that, he hit his head a bit too hard when he was getting attacked by Sailor Venus Greed!Noah. Because if learning=evil is his new thing, then the last ~80 chapters of his characterization was for shit all.

Hopefully Spirit will get to actually do something other than look worried, ..., and occasionally don the Stupid Theory hat at some point in the relatively near future.

What happened to the rest of the adults? Do we not care about them any more? Where'd Azusa go? Or Enrique for that matter? While we're at it, what ever happened to Eruka? Did Sid get his arm re-attached or is Stein giving his exposition while going "Wait what else was I supposed to do today again? Oh well, couldn't have been that important." Are Marie and Nygus in their respective kitchens where they evidently belong? Bah, I'd pity Ohkubo for having all these secondary and tertiary characters to keep track of, but it's his own damn fault for making so many.

Kid and Shinigami-sama's "reunion" makes me so sad. There had to have been a way to get all that exposition out of the way and still make it emotional and, y'know, realistic. I swear, you'd think Kid was Jan Brady for as much as his Dad pays attention to him :|

I'm seriously so close to ragequitting, but considering we finally got a Crona/Medusa update and they still seem to have all their neurons firing, I can't hate this chapter as much as I simply epically dislike it. It's better than the last couple, so maybe we're on an upswing.

Gopher was seriously the best part of this chapter. And every chapter before this. Even the ones he wasn't in.

Thanks as always, and wow this is a really long comment, isn't it?

[identity profile] chiikaboom.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG IS THAT REALLY OHKUBO PFFFFFF

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[identity profile] symbolswriter.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the recap again. MS were rather fast with this chapter, so it's a rare time I red the chapter itself BEFORE your recap. I find it interesting that your translation actually fits more and makes more sense most of time.

I won't say anything about the chapter's contents and the whole "KNOWLEDGE IS BAAAAD" thing, gotta see what Okhubo will make of it. It may turn out to be good, right? Right?..

BTW, about "Fukohadoru". Seeing how he is Russian, and being Russian myself, I can assume that his name is supposed to be "Fyodor" (or more old-fashioned version: "Feodor"). It would actually make sense, as his partner is called Tsar Pushka and IRL it was tsar Feodor I who comissioned the Tsar Pushka's creation.

PS: Talking about names, you probably know why Gopher is called so and make rodent jokes just for the fun of, right? Just curious.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the recap again.

You're welcome!

BTW, about "Fukohadoru". Seeing how he is Russian, and being Russian myself, I can assume that his name is supposed to be "Fyodor" (or more old-fashioned version: "Feodor"). It would actually make sense, as his partner is called Tsar Pushka and IRL it was tsar Feodor I who comissioned the Tsar Pushka's creation.

My question is, does "Fyodor" have any hard [k] or [h] sounds in it? 'Cause that's what's throwing me about Fukoharudo's name. It's like Ohkubo took "Fyodor" and threw two random syllables ("koha") in the middle of the name. I think that's supposed to be a pun of SOMETHING, but I have no idea what.

PS: Talking about names, you probably know why Gopher is called so and make rodent jokes just for the fun of, right? Just curious.

I know. Gopherwood for Noah's ark, and "gopher" as an errand-running peon.
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[identity profile] icepelt.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 04:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually liked this chapter. I feel like Ohkubo is at least trying to do something new. Just be glad it wasn't Lust!Noah. Of course Gopher might explode with gay if that happens so it might be rather interesting.
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Unless Lust!Noah is a woman, that is. Then it would be hilarious if all of a sudden Gopher isn't interested anymore.

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(Anonymous) 2011-01-16 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
K. I'm going to ignore the whole reunion-but-not-really thing with Big Daddy (which I could rant for pages and pages about-- seriously, Ohkubo, there are such things as family love. Even Big Daddy loves his Little T-Rex) and Kid and Index's confusing speech (so, he wants to, um, give humanity knowledge? For the hell of it, I guess? Why? What's his motive? He just loves teaching??) in favor of Eibon. You know, Eibon? We've been in his book for the last 15 chapters or so and not one mention or sight of him? No backstory, no characterization, you know, Eibon?

So, Eibon sealed himself away? So...where('cause he ain't in his book)? Why? And does Big Daddy know about this?

The only thing I liked about this chapter is Spirit being worried over Big Daddy, but then there's the fact that Ohkubo STILL hasn't given us any explanation as to why (but if it DOES kill Big Daddy like I think it will, then that's grade A B gold for my fanfic finale, teehee).

Hopefully things will be cleared up next chapter, but I'm not holding my breath. Thanks for doing the recaps, they always make me laugh(and I had a non-Soul Eater RL friend over and I showed her the NBC thing and she cracked up too XD).
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-17 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
For the hell of it, I guess? Why? What's his motive? He just loves teaching??

I think Index's motives are a) because he wants to see what would happen, b) because people to understand how awesome Eibon-sama is, and c) because he believes that KNOWLEDGE SHOULD BE FREE, MAN, and not constrained by Shinigami-sama's rules.

Thanks for doing the recaps

You're welcome!

(Anonymous) 2011-01-16 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I was hoping for a "Wellcome back, Kid" party (remember when they used to give out parties all the time without reason? sweet times)
No SoulFanGirl also makes me sad. Is that charac even gonna be used?
I also wanted to see Marie, Nygus and Sid. They were beaten up tooo easy.

But asides of that this wasn't so bad.
Evil Index, Wrath Noah, Tezca, a little of Justin, Gopher's apple scene, Gopher's gay scene, Crona...

Ohkubo rlly need to get back to the 40-45 pages chapters
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-17 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
No SoulFanGirl also makes me sad. Is that charac even gonna be used?

I really hope she shows up again sometime soon!

[identity profile] duelsoul.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Mm.

Never thought I see S.E equated to Tsubasa in any manner, that's a new low, and makes me a little sad.

I'm just going to ignore all the disappointing stuff and focus on the positives such as YAY CHRONA- even if hir appearance isn't under the best of circumstances, still. Also, the cover is awesome and that's about it.

As suggested prior, Ohkubo, you'd better be downplaying the whole Kidd reunion stuff just so he (and the rest of the fandom) doesn't see the- BOOM! Big-surprise-welcome-home-fluff'n-hugs party coming. Next chapter. C'MON throw me a bone here from the disappointment-conga I been having over the last God know how many chapters!

Oh wait- he has! Soul Eater NOT of course! Silly me. Looking forward to seeing that Nenena and thanks for translating this per-usual =D
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-17 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
disappointment-conga

This is my new favorite euphemism.

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(Anonymous) 2011-01-16 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Being one who is dying to know what kind of name "Fukohadoru" is supposed to mean, your designated nickname made me laugh.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-17 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
I think that [livejournal.com profile] symbolswriter might be getting close to what it's actually supposed to be in this thread (http://nenena.livejournal.com/297546.html?thread=2842442#t2842442).

[identity profile] wafflewood.livejournal.com 2011-01-16 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)
ALRIGHT, FINE.

FROM NOW ON, I'LL PLAY GOPHER AS NOT-STRAIGHT.

JEEZ.

I'VE BE IN DENIAL OF IT FOR SO LONG, PLAYING IT DOWN, SAYING HIS LOVE FOR NOAH WAS A 'RELIGIOUS LOVE' AND NOW -

"You're wild, Noah-sama"

... OH FUCK THE HELL YES,

THE TWINK IS STRAIGHT AS A PRETZEL.
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IT TOOK THIS AND NOT ORGASM-FACE-LOVE-TUMMY-CANNON TO CONVINCE YOU?

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(Anonymous) 2011-01-16 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Point the 1st- Ok, Ohkubo`s "all knowledge having is eeeeevil" things makes less sense the more you think about it. I mean the whole point is that if you know everything you'll stop thinking and therefore stagnate which is bad, buuuuut:

a-If you live in a dynamic universe like our own then you should know that you can't know everything since things are in constant flow, so even if you know everything of everything RIGHT NOW you'll still need to keep collecting data, so knowing everything wouldn't make you stop thinking just use that knowledge to get more knowledge; so either Sid is lying or Index doesn't really know much

or

b-You know why stagnation is bad? Because your surroundings might change (emphasis on might) so much that you'll be at an disadvantage, not changing isn't bad in and out of itself, if you think otherwise coelacanth left this link for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU. ANYWAY thats only true in a universe in which things are constantly changing, but as previously established you can actually know EVERYTHING is such a universe.
The only way you can do that is in a universe where things don't actually change, in which case Shini is the one that's wrong, so what if your curiosity dies when you know everything? THE UNIVERSE DOESN'T CHANGE acquiring ultimate knowledge is a good thing since you no longer make any mistakes of any kind with it, you won; and yes you can actually win at life in an unchanging universe if there are actual forms which are absolutely and perfectly adapted to it (like ultimate knowledge); what's the point of wanting to know more if you know everything?
And here I make an aside to clear a common misconception: discovering/growing/curiosity/change ISN'T INHERENTLY A GOOD THING, sure it is if your environment is in constant flux, but if things don't change is literally a waste of resources, and once you get an ideal state in such a universe any change is actually bad; I've seen people think change is good just because is change even in stories in which is stated that THERE ACTUALLY IS AND ULTIMATE FORM WHICH WILL ALWAYS BE ULTIMATE NO MATTER WHAT and somehow that's bad even tough by that the story's own rules it isn't; stop doing that people, is maddening
but most importantly I've seen authors do so, in blatant violation of their own rules
Ok ramblings aside what this means is that in case b is true Index is right and if that's the case Ohkubo don't change the rules just because, I will hunt you down and give the wedgiest wedgie to ever be wedgied


Point the 2nd- Personally if find your point about how higher beings shouldn't just give knowledge to humanity just as invalid as ohkubo's but I wont get much into it unless you ask me too


Point the 3 (the three)- Umm, yeah I know isn't as bad as Enrique south-american monkey (of action) but yeah, a russian guy that attacks by way of cossack dance? Yeah that's racist.


Point the 4theth- Thank you for your awesome recaps, they give a whole new perspective to SE and I always look forward to them every month more that the actual manga :)


Point the shut up already- SOUL EATER NOT RECAAAAAAAP! yay 0w0
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-17 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
a-If you live in a dynamic universe like our own then you should know that you can't know everything since things are in constant flow, so even if you know everything of everything RIGHT NOW you'll still need to keep collecting data, so knowing everything wouldn't make you stop thinking just use that knowledge to get more knowledge; so either Sid is lying or Index doesn't really know much

Or Ohkubo hasn't thought this through at all.

the wedgiest wedgie to ever be wedgied

I am in love with this phrase.

Point the 3 (the three)- Umm, yeah I know isn't as bad as Enrique south-american monkey (of action) but yeah, a russian guy that attacks by way of cossack dance? Yeah that's racist.

It's a stereotype, and definitely cultural appropriation, but in this context I wouldn't call it "racist." As far as I'm aware depictions of the Cossack dance have never been used as as a symbol for the denigration of an entire people the same way that depictions of Brazilians in Japan as monkeys, speaking gibberish, or being in blackface have been used.

Thank you for your awesome recaps, they give a whole new perspective to SE and I always look forward to them every month more that the actual manga :)

You're welcome, and thank you!

(Anonymous) 2011-01-16 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
uhhh, where the hell is Marie, and Nygus, did Ohkubo just compleatly forget them on his path of contradicting exposition?? I mean 2 death sythes "died" shouldnt they be mentioned?

but still loved the recap
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2011-01-17 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Well they didn't "die," they were very clearly just knocked out, but yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't appear again for a couple more chapters, given Ohkubo's track record with pushing female characters to the side lately.

I would love to be proven wrong about that.

but still loved the recap

Thank you!

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