Jaw meets floor.

[nenena]

Oh my. It's been a good several years since the last time that I've had the comments section of a post devolve into such a stunning example of case in fucking point.

Edited to add: Okay, look. I am hardly the only person who has publicly called out proglution and the others in that thread on bleachness for their BS. Many, many people on fandom_wank are making the same points. kuromitsu in particular is someone whose opinion ought to carry some weight, being a damn good translator of Japanese.

Protip: It is never a good idea to start a wank about translation by insulting a professional translator, and it makes you look like even more of an ass when you then go on to twist around and bullshit about what was actually said. When enough people with enough accumulated knowledge among them are continually pointing out that you are wrong, then it is time to step back and consider the possibility that maybe you might be wrong.

proglution and suzukaze are right to argue in my previous post that pobody's nerfect. The same applies to them as well. I have had people more knowledgeable than me point out my translation errors before. And I've corrected them right away. It does nobody any favors to write ten pages worth of comments defending your shitty translation and continuing to insist that the professional interpreter in question was "misleading" when she wasn't.

This, then. This is pretty much the perfect example of the type of posturing behavior that I was trying to call out in my first post.

ETA again: Meni just pointed out one of the bigger, ickier issues that got buried by the translation wank, and I tried to articulate a coherent response on the matter. But this is another one of the things that I wanted to discuss in my first post (before it got so spectacularly derailed): the difference between showing cultural knowledge vs. expressing stereotypes. There's definitely a Pretendian/Wapanese inclination to attempt to speak for people from other cultures, rather than letting them speak for themselves. And that is exactly what happened in Moritagate, when the shippers relied on oversimplified, essentializing cultural stereotypes to deny the possibility that Morita might actually mean what he straight-up said. Talk about twisting cultural knowledge to fit a personal agenda.

Comments

[wodalzz.livejournal.com]

I always follow your entry´s.

There is something with these days.

First Zac with his stupid article about a part in the Otome Road, then you have this translation wank, and yesterday an anonym makes out a flametopic centered on himself.

WHY DON´T PEOPLE JUST GET IT?! D8 I know the world isn´t perfect but still...

And I can´t wait for next Soul Eater chapter and recap! :D

[nenena.livejournal.com]

Thank you. ^_^

Fortunately I still think that the ratio of stupid people to clueful people in fandom is generally weighted more heavily toward the clueful people side... It's just that a handful of stupid people can be very, very loud and exhaustively wanky in defending their stupidity.

As we've seen demonstrated this week.

[wodalzz.livejournal.com]

But I take back about the anonym one. Because maybe he wasn 't really trying to center it on himself, but wanted to take himself for an example of what an actually anonym would say about 'removing anons'. Of course we could expect such a reply to this from an anon! so we can't actually blame the wanking to him. I also said this to repelsteeltju himself and apologized for this. And also a bit for the post with the lots of caps lock in it(but I meant further content, the problem was that I also was subjective myself (epic fail)) Eventually I asked him what he finally thinks about removing anonym posts, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ACTUAL SUBJECT.(I'm saying this more to myself)

Sorry I go on long about this.

[nenena.livejournal.com]

Because maybe he wasn 't really trying to center it on himself,

Yes he was. He still is. Did you read his most recent comment to me? He said that my "entire argument" was all about him when no, really, it wasn't, and I attempted to explain that to him multiple times.

Yes, we can blame the wanking on him, because he was the one who was wanking. He was the one who went to ridiculous lengths to defend his right to be anonymous, then he kept arguing in an attempt to "prove" that the issue was all about him when it wasn't, then when he buckled and got a livejournal account anyway he proceeded to use it only to keep the argument going and to try to prove how the three of us were "wrong" about him. By acting like a dickwad.

So yes, really, he was centering it all around himself.

[wodalzz.livejournal.com]

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*looked it over* I... see it. Yes certainly *punches herself* But still you can expect a reply from an anon to a purposal called:'removing anons'

Furthermore, I found it not nice of him that he wanted to start conversations in Dutch. because I had the feeling others(and especially you) wanted to know what was going on too in that stupid foreign Dutch languiged wanking(and we were talking about you in there, he called you 'Nientje')

(Ofcourse I confronted him about being Dutch but nagged me about it,, while I said earlier to think about the reasons why I put it between parentheses in the early posts)

But let's just stop this(I bet you are thinking too long ago). I already betrayed myself by reacting again on that wank because of my hestitation. urg