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nenena ([personal profile] nenena) wrote2007-05-22 07:30 am

You keep using that term, "fannish entitlement." I do not think it means what you think it means.

Cheryl Lynn wrote:

What do women want from comics? The answer isn't important. Here's all you need to know: No reader wants to be made to feel that he or she is inherently less than a member of another group when he or she picks up a book to enjoy.

And that, to me, in a nutshell, is the difference between "fannish entitlement" (which us uppity feminist comic book fans keep getting accused of) and real, actual issues that are worth fighting for.

Unless you are the type of delusional fan who regularly gets mocked on the internet for crying about shipping oppression, it does not make you feel like less of a human being when you open up your favorite comic book to find that your OTP has been broken up by this month's new writer. It does not make you feel like a second-class citizen if your favorite superhero gets a fugly costume makeover. It is not an affront to your human dignity if your favorite character only gets two lines of dialogue in the span of twenty pages, and both lines happen to be monosyllabic utterances.

Are these things annoying? Sure. Should you be blogging about them? Yes, if you make it a habit to regularly blog about what you like and dislike. Which is why a lot of us are here doing this, duh. Should you, however, be organizing a letter campaign, setting up an online petition, and instigating a boycott against Marvel until they cave to your demands that Wolverine revert his costume to the classy black-and-orange design from the 80's? No. Because going that far would be "fannish entitlement" in action, and that's. just. stupid.

Now let's contrast:

It does make you feel like less of a human being when you open up your favorite comic book to find that a character of your gender, race, religion, orientation, or disability only exists as the butt of a joke, or as cannon fodder, or as a grotesque, outdated stereotype. It does make you feel like a second-class citizen to see that each and every character of your gender is drawn as a vapid blow-up doll who can only appear in anatomically impossible poses designed to display the only important parts of herself, her tits and ass. It is an affront to your human dignity to hear, over and over again, that it is perfectly all right for you to be reduced to a sex object, to a disgusting stereotype, to a plot device, to a rape magnet... as long as you aren't the target audience for these degredations.

These things are worth caring about. These things are worth blogging about, but also worth organizing about, and worth being activist about. And in these cases, going that far is NOT "fannish entitlement." It's human entitlement. We are all entitled to a world where we are not regularly insulted, objectified, and degraded in our mass entertainment. Sure we aren't there yet, but we're fighting for it, because we deserve it. We ARE entitled to this. Just not fannishly. We are entitled to this as people.

And that's the difference between "fannish entitlement" and, well, not fannish entitlement. Really, it's not that difficult.

In sum: The merits of a particular romantic pairing, or the merits of Wolverine's color scheme of the moment, are debatable. The same can in no way be said for the existence of sexism, racism, or any other -ism in comics. So demanding an end to the Isms is in no way fannish entitlement. Because they shouldn't be there in the first place.

This rant has been brought to you by someone who is sick and tired of hearing that asking for less sexism in comics is merely "demented fannish entitlement."

Edit: Lisa Fortuner says it better, as usual. ;)

Edit again: Lord Dingsi says it better too.

[identity profile] meiousei.livejournal.com 2007-05-22 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. YES, I say!

I'm so very sick of hearing that accusation as well.

[identity profile] broccoman.livejournal.com 2007-05-22 01:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly, the solution is

a) Have people make better comics, and
b) Support them, and
c) Get other people to support them- spread the word that it's good.

All the complaints in the world, and yes, complaining is justified, won't do as much as supporting that which is different.


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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2007-05-22 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
a) Have people make better comics

Yes, that's the point! ^____^

I agree: Complaining is always justified, but supporting that which is good is more powerful. I would count the latter as being "activist" in every sense of the word. Especially when you're plugging and reccing and linking all over the place - like a lot of bloggers already are. And giving positive feedback to anyone, whether an indy publisher or the Big Two, when they do something good - like a LOT of people already are. So hooray for that!

Like I said, things worth acting up about. ;)

[identity profile] furikku.livejournal.com 2007-05-22 02:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, huh? I though fannish entitlement was when people complained about something and I don't agree!

MY WORLD IS IMPLODING

[identity profile] goldenflames.livejournal.com 2007-05-22 02:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Hear, hear!

[identity profile] lost-angelwings.livejournal.com 2007-05-22 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
YAY!!!!! :D

Great post! :D

I completely agree and I think you pointed out the difference between this "fannish entitlement" that we keep being accused of and what we're actually saying :)

[identity profile] novel-tea.livejournal.com 2007-05-22 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel I am all kinds of entitled to seeing fabulous women in comics who are more than just anatomically incorrect, passive wet dreams of some inarticulate, stereotype-enforcing, probably male writer/artist.

Er. That's my way of saying cheers, I agree with you. ^^;;

Now I have to go rant about women in video games....

[identity profile] timeliebe.livejournal.com 2007-05-23 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)
::that it is perfectly all right for you to be reduced to a sex object, to a disgusting stereotype, to a plot device, to a rape magnet... as long as you aren't the target audience for these degredations.::

You forgot, "particularly if it gets my rocks off, b/c Mom won't LET me have REAL porn on my computer in the basement!" >;)

Thank you for this. It bears repeating b/c the whinily entitled fanboy (who bears a STRONG resemblance to Faux Nuwz viewers or people who still support Bush, I'm afraid) seems constitutionally incapable of understanding the simple truth that Equal Rights Do NOT Equal "Special Rights".

Not so much for them since they never listen anyway - but for the rest of humanity which still possesses a conscience and a brain, and can still be persuaded by appeals to their sense of fairness and justice,

Best,
Tim Liebe (http://spousecreature.blogspot.com/)
Dreaded Spouse-Creature of Tamora Pierce (http://www.tamorapierce.com/)
- and co-writer of Marvel's White Tiger (http://www.tamorapierce.com/marvel.htm) comic - #6 coming soon!

[identity profile] ionaonie.livejournal.com 2009-09-04 01:44 pm (UTC)(link)
demanding an end to the Isms is in no way fannish entitlement. Because they shouldn't be there in the first place.
Exactly. That.

That is everything in a nutshell, I do believe.

[identity profile] softestbullet (from livejournal.com) 2009-09-06 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
IAWTC.