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SRS BZNS

Hat-tip to

furikku: The Americanization of Mental Illness. Very good article, and definitely worth reading all the way through (especially the meaty stuff on pages 3 and 4). Warning: There are some potentially triggering passages about eating disorders.

NOT SRS BZNS

Soul Eater fandom, Noah is disappoint. Dante's Inferno =/= the traditional "seven deadly sins" of Christian pop culture. The levels of hell in Inferno are:

1. Limbo
2. Lust
3. Gluttony
4. Avarice and Prodigality (AKA hoarding and squandering)
5. Wrath and Sullenness
6. Heresy
7. Violence
8. Fraud
9. Betrayal

Now I dunno if Ohkubo is going to stick strictly to Dante or not, but given what we've already seen of Noah's Inferno (Introductory level = limbo, followed by seven chapters, the first of which is Lust, arranged in a spiral going downward, and ending with the special unreachable eighth chapter in which ~~Lucifer~~ Gooberkins is chillaxing at the bottom of Hell and generally being a douchebag who is rather heavily invested in betraying God), it seems likely that Ohkubo is going more for Dante's levels of hell than not.

Then again, Ohkubo generally does Whatever the Hell He Wants with this series, so we'll see.

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Ooops! Thanks for the aclaration =X I didn't know the differences between the deadly Sins and Dantes's inferno *yep, is an ignorant*

Thank you!

Pfft, I didn't know either, until I bothered to Wiki it.

Also I don't know if Ohkubo is going to stick with Dante's levels of hell, or if he's going to go with the more traditional seven sins. It's Ohkubo's choice, really, so who knows?

Reading Divine Comedy right now thanks to a friend who has the book with kick-ass illustrations.

I'll lol if gooberkins will be named Lucifer or Satan. Or something along those lines.

I wonder if Ohkubo is sticking only with Inferno(Hell) from Divine Comedy...would be interesting if he does Paradisio as well...but I doubt it. And it would be longgggggg.

On a side note. It would make sense if Kid was in Betrayal. Y'know, with the turning evil/insane and "betraying" them all.

On a side note. It would make sense if Kid was in Betrayal. Y'know, with the turning evil/insane and "betraying" them all.

Definitely. There's also, you know, Gooberkins himself. If he was one of the Eight Warriors then he must have been Shini's ally at one point. Now, though? Not so much anymore. In his own words, he's nobody's ally. And he's apparently willing to OM NOM NOM on Shini's only son, which is a pretty dramatic betrayal in and of itself.

Thats prolly what Ohkubo is going for, considering Kidd is all ZOMG BRAINZZZ atm and hes in the last chapter, therefore = betrayal yes?

Also a part of me hopes he skips over the gluttony chapter. I dont want to see everyone get all fat and gross :\

Um, fat-hating makes me sadface. :( Fat =/= gross.

Also I suspect that the "gluttony" chapter might have more to do with the temptation of eating souls, but we'll see.

Im not fat-hating. I just think that Ohkubo might take advantage of the fact theres a gluttony chapter and make it gross on purpose (or he could generate epic lulz with it, which is always possible)

You could be right though, id much prefer he go with that option.

in which Lucifer Gooberkins is chillaxing

Heh, chillaxing.

Also I've even read the Inferno and I still didn't pick up on the fact that Ohkubo was referencing it. :F

Gooberkins does seem rather curiously unconcerned about the fact that he's imprisoned, doesn't he? But maybe we just haven't seen him express his burning desire to kill Noah yet.

Actually I was laughing at the pun. Because in the Inferno, Lucifer is rather paradoxically frozen in the middle of a lake of ice. Er.

Oh my god. I did not even realize that I did that.

Huh, I didn't know that Inferno had levels of Hell like that. I thought Ohkubo was going with the Seven Deadly Sins. Though there's clearly some overlap anyways. Though the Inferno levels of Hell would make sense... Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see, huh? All I know for sure is we can expect some serious lulz.

And thanks for the article link, I thought it was really interesting!

The article was great, as a latin-american psych major I've been there, done that. In this country the DSM-IV is Word of God, even if it was never adjusted to our specific culture.

Now, about Ohkubo... one can never tell what goes through that little man's mind. I was expecting he would go for the 7 deadly sins 'cause it's a cliché and perhaps easier for him? But if he went with Dante's version it would be more interesting, but probably longer.

*sigh* I'll have grandkids before we see the end of this manga, right? DX

The article was great, as a latin-american psych major I've been there, done that. In this country the DSM-IV is Word of God, even if it was never adjusted to our specific culture.

The DSM is rather poorly adjusted to white American culture to begin with. It only gets worse when you try to apply it to other cultures, I would imagine.

Now, about Ohkubo... one can never tell what goes through that little man's mind. I was expecting he would go for the 7 deadly sins 'cause it's a cliché and perhaps easier for him?

I agree. Ohkubo does love his clichés. Like I said, I really don't know if he's going to stick with Dante's sins, or go with the traditional seven, or what. I guess we'll find out soon!

*sigh* I'll have grandkids before we see the end of this manga, right? DX

Probably. :) Then again, I used to think that about Fullmetal Alchemist. And, well. Here we are.

I wouldn't expect anything too amazing. He's going to stick with the seven sins. The whole seven deadly sins are done so many times over in manga.

The only thing which made me immediately think, 'oh dante's inferno', was one of the illustrations in chapter 72. To be honest, I've never really read Inferno in its entirety. Hardly any of the Divine Comedy, mostly because I'm too cool for school and somewhat because I can't be arsed.

The only interesting thing Ohkubo did (and probably not on purpose) was associate some sort of devily-creature from Noah's collection to the sin of lust. This calls to my mind something I read over awhile ago that involved a specific demon responsible for each sin... not at all Catholic doctrine, rather an archaic thought or tradition based on the perspective of the western church. It goes something along the lines of:

luxuria/asmodeus, ira/satan, superbia/lucifer, invidia/leviathan, avaritia/mammon, acedia/beelphegor, gula/beelzebub

I wouldn't expect anything too amazing. He's going to stick with the seven sins.

I generally don't expect anything too amazing from Ohkubo. ;) And like I said, I don't know if he's going to go with the traditional seven sins or Dante's sins or what - it's too early to tell. But so far we have seen that three out of the nine sections of Noah's book match Dante's Inferno, so at this point it's anybody's guess what Ohkubo is going to do with the remaining chapters.

The only interesting thing Ohkubo did (and probably not on purpose) was associate some sort of devily-creature from Noah's collection to the sin of lust.

Really? I thought that having a succubus there was pretty cliched. The genderswitch was much more interesting IMHO. Granted, that's also cliched fanpandering, but at least it's interesting cliched fanpandering!

luxuria/asmodeus, ira/satan, superbia/lucifer, invidia/leviathan, avaritia/mammon, acedia/beelphegor, gula/beelzebub

Oooooh, I have never heard of these before. This is very interesting - thank you!!

luxuria/asmodeus, ira/satan, superbia/lucifer, invidia/leviathan, avaritia/mammon, acedia/beelphegor, gula/beelzebub

Seven Sisters of Purgatory!! (again)
(i'm the Umineko freak anon from before :P)

Just came to give you this link:
http://coolvanillia.deviantart.com/art/Evil-Trio-158276694

(That's a fast cosplayer)

(Very tired, forgive any incoherence on my part.)

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Fascinating read. I'd never thought of it from that perspective before.

The thing on page 4 with the lab test bothers me, though, because the reasons why those results was obtained and the implications of the results are complete conjecture. It could be that those given the psychosocial explanation were actually expressing the idea that those who experienced childhood trauma are somehow more delicate and vulnerable than others. It could be that the psychosocial explanation invoked empathy from memories of personal experiences in a similar vein.

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I am kind of proud that I remember enough of my junior year lit teacher's detailed overview of Inferno (as parallel to Heart of Darkness with the help of Apocalypse Now and compared to Paradise Lost) that I immediately thought "Ooh, Dante reference? In my manga?" instead of "LOL 7 Deadly Sins, how FMA." I'll comfort myself with that when I am reminded of my failure to see anything referring to the Cthulhu Mythos.

I'm really hoping he's referring to Dante, and am almost certain because of Index. I could be tinhatting, though. "Index" is sometimes a synonym for "appendix." The guide in Inferno was Virgil. Virgil used to be credited with the Appendix Vergiliana. What gets interesting is that the Appendix Vergiliana (1)is a collection of various poems compiled in one volume, and (2) its authorship/attribution to Virgil is probably false. Essentially, something that may as well be called "The Book of Virgil" wasn't written by Virgil.

Now I want the authorship of The Book of Eibon to be called into question. If that happens on top of other Dante references, I will be damn impressed on multiple levels. If nothing else, it would make awesome fic. WOO LITERARY TINHATTERY!

Now I want the authorship of The Book of Eibon to be called into question.

Goddamn, but that would be some tight metarecursion right there! (Also, poor Noah would be devastated.)

As for the Index thing, it might very well be another Dante reference. Or it could be a nod toward To Aru Majutsu no Index, another GanGan manga which stars a girl named Index who literally is the living index to a book that lists all of the forbidden magic in the world.

Goddamn, but that would be some tight metarecursion right there!

I think I get it. Please clarify my Google-fu research: Is metarecursion when references within a work go into multiple levels or loops on itself? In this case, "Index" in the manga referring to Inferno and the character Virgil, which refers to the contested works of the historical figure Virgil, ending up referring to a plot point in the manga? (First work refers to second work, second work refers to third work, third work refers to first work?)

If so, it's good to have a term for that. I love when that gets set up in a work.

Also, poor Noah would be devastated.

Can you imagine the epic flip-out he'd have? "WHAAAAT?!?! MY PRICELESS SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME ORIGINAL COLLECTOR'S ITEM IS MISATTRIBUTED / A FORGERY?!?!" He'd snap so hard, hopefully into Batshit Homicidal Badass Land instead of Gibbering Blue Screen of Death Land.

Canon or fic, I'd read it. I'd read it with popcorn and lols a plenty.

Random: When I tried to remember what Index looks like, I pictured Excalibur and had to look up the chapter again.

To Aru Majutsu no Index looks interesting, I may have to try it out.

I think I get it. Please clarify my Google-fu research: Is metarecursion when references within a work go into multiple levels or loops on itself? In this case, "Index" in the manga referring to Inferno and the character Virgil, which refers to the contested works of the historical figure Virgil, ending up referring to a plot point in the manga? (First work refers to second work, second work refers to third work, third work refers to first work?)

EXACTLY that, yes. In this case the plot point in the manga would be the Book of Eibon not actually being written by Eibon.

To Aru Majutsu no Index looks interesting, I may have to try it out.

Honestly? I can't recommend it, because it's not nearly as interesting as the premise makes it sound.

However! It did end up spawning a vastly superior prequel (yes, I just said "vastly superior prequel" and I totally mean it) anime series called To Aru Kagaku no Railgun, which I recommend wholeheartedly. Since it's a prequel, the series stands on its own and you don't need to know anything about Index in order to enjoy Railgun. Index herself makes only a tiny cameo in the final episode of Railgun, which is for the best, as far as I'm concerned, since she's such a devastatingly boring character.

Yay, new vocabulary! *cherishes* It's so much more specific than plain "foreshadowing" or "reference."

Aww, I hate when a premise isn't used well. I'll have to look up the prequel sometime.

"EXACTLY that, yes. In this case the plot point in the manga would be the Book of Eibon not actually being written by Eibon. "

Maybe the book IS Eibon, in order to contain lucifer (like what Shinigami did with Asura)

That is a very, very interesting theory. And if Index turns out to be Eibon, your theory would go a long way toward explaining how he got to be that way.

Also the fact that Shinigami had the second book (half of his soul?! hmmm...) also can link in with the when Kidd found Eibon and Shinigami's name on the demon tool.

and if that is how it turns out how awesome would that be?!

here's something I've been wondering.
Not that we've seen whats in the book how did Kidd manage to organize it?!
(I know it was with the help of Index. But still)

Because he's Jesus. When it comes to organizing something messy, he can make miracles happen. ;)

maybe he pulled an Excalibur and annoy the crap out of the stuff to the point of doing whatever Kidd tells them to do.

(that would be funny as hell!)

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