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nenena ([personal profile] nenena) wrote2009-05-16 02:39 am

Red flag link for the evening.

An extremely eye-opening dissection of Patricia Wede's list of fantasy world-building questions, in light of MammothFail09.

Context: Patricia Wede is the person who wrote these things, these things, these things, and these things.

So, um. How many of the rest of y'all have used that list of questions in your worldbuilding?

(*raises hand*)

Now I definitely need to take some time to think about what that means, and how it's colored my writing.

[identity profile] corinn.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 06:21 pm (UTC)(link)
*whistles* That's... ouch. It seems so innocuous at first glance, but when you shine the light on it just so...

Out of curiosity, has anyone promoted a more comprehensive and enlightened list of world-building questions? I have a feeling such a thing either exists or will exist shortly. I ask because you seem to have the pulse on a far-ranging vein of such enlightening posts, that I honestly don't know how you find them all.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Out of curiosity, has anyone promoted a more comprehensive and enlightened list of world-building questions?

I do recall, a couple years ago, coming across a very, very well-written set of questions specifically limited to "how to create alien races in science fiction without reproducing human racist tropes." But I've lost my bookmarks since then, and now I can't find it again.

I honestly don't know how you find them all.

Nothing special, I just try to keep up with whoever is doing the official linkspamming duty (http://naraht.dreamwidth.org/tag/race:13th+child) for the Fail.

for once my icon is pleasantly placed

[identity profile] meowkitty7.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
-\(O_O)/- what is this faggorty?

is this published already,or in the process or what, I'm a bit confused, but it still doesn't stop the WTF iz this BS she be talking O_o

i'm getting a vibe of...trying not to be racist by having removed all the people of color already living (for well over 10 thousands of years in the americas before coming into contact with the 'european' *coughs*) there...but doing it anyway by establishing that thar be a shitload of 'african slaves'.

LOL I think I've seen about everything now...


....okay...that's it, if this can be pass off to be the greatest thing since sliced bread....then there has to be a fantasy story that counterattacks this one right?

a story where all the indigenous people of the world, band together, realizing they are all spiritual brothers and sisters who come from the same mold and finally want to stop the oppression and colonization of the 'white western world' that's been imposed on them for the last 600 or so years' with funky martial arts and super powers and the only way to stop it is by wiping out their oppressors numbers.

*than watch the meltdown begin with the many cries of fail and foul ringing throughout the world*

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[identity profile] evil-authoress.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
what is this faggorty?

Kind of wondering that myself, actually. And I don't mean the spelling. Ahem.

Re: for once my icon is pleasantly placed

[identity profile] the-terrible.livejournal.com 2009-05-16 05:50 pm (UTC)(link)
hahahahahahaha
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
FYI, I'm not cool with the use of "faggotry" in my journal. Please don't do that again.

Now, for your other points...

a story where all the indigenous people of the world, band together, realizing they are all spiritual brothers and sisters who come from the same mold and finally want to stop the oppression and colonization of the 'white western world' that's been imposed on them for the last 600 or so years' with funky martial arts and super powers and the only way to stop it is by wiping out their oppressors numbers.

I'm pretty sure that fiction like that does exist, but someone more versed in that area would probably be able come up with some examples. ;)

[identity profile] the-sun-is-up.livejournal.com 2009-05-15 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Huh. Well I won't be using THAT material to help my world-building, that's for sure.

I feel like that's kind of a weird trend in fantasy as a whole though, that because of the presence of non-human sentient species as being the "other," then the writers cast human beings as being all the same, having the same culture, looking the same, etc.

[identity profile] furikku.livejournal.com 2009-05-16 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
There really isn't a lot of encouragement to write multiracial humans. (Unlike, say, elves, which get eighty bajillion different flavors everywhere. What's up with that?!)

The points about a lack of coverage of sexuality and disability are good ones. I expect it's probably missing for the same reason it doesn't come up normally as a topic in mainstream US stuff- we try to hide it away because some folks get all squirmy and nervous.

Interestingly (maybe), I'd encountered that list some time ago, but never bothered to read it. Score one for laziness, I guess. >_>; (Or maybe just for preferring to study actual anthropology rather than other people's pretend anthropology. Reality is always more creative than people are.)

[identity profile] the-terrible.livejournal.com 2009-05-16 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't use that specific list, but I have asked myself very similar questions when putting stories together. Many of those questions NEED to be asked, since a story will lack too much otherwise.



Here's the only thing I really want to say regarding those authors: I am very glad I have never read their stuff.